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High-Speed Rail in USA: An Expensive Tax
Burden and Inefficient Solution for America’s
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Posted By: mc squared, 6/23/2024 9:32:55 AM

For some reason, high-speed rail is a hot-button issue for liberals and a frequent point of criticism from Chinese communist propaganda and Europeans when they attack the U.S. “How can you call yourself a developed country when you don’t have high-speed rail?” they ask. The reality is that high-speed rail would be more expensive and less efficient than our current travel infrastructure. High-speed rail works in Europe and China because of government subsidies, higher taxes, and because people typically travel shorter distances and have fewer travel options. The U.S. has more cars per capita, more highways, more airports, and more railroads than China or the EU. Additionally, Americans prefer to drive

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Reply 1 - Posted by: felixcat 6/23/2024 9:45:49 AM (No. 1742007)
Because we bailed your sorry rear ends out of two World Wars; basically rebuilt all of Western Europe post 1945 and we're Americans.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Venturer 6/23/2024 10:01:45 AM (No. 1742014)
America definitely has more cars. Thewife and i went on a trip Friday and I believe all of those cars were on the road. Traffic jams on the major highways traffic slowed to 10 MPH then an open spot and we finally got up to the speed limit.I tried to imagine all of those vehicles running off electric and the thought of it was ludicrous. As for trains? Who wants to spend 4 days on a train across country at 4 times the cost of a plane and 3 days wasted.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: GreatGreyhounds 6/23/2024 10:04:02 AM (No. 1742017)
And for the majority of us that live in Rural America, why should I drive an hour or more to a train station, to wait on a train, and then travel to my location, and find transport to my final location? I'll just drive and save myself the time and aggravation of dealing with the Union Thugs that will be running the trains...
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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/23/2024 10:28:55 AM (No. 1742024)
Shuttle buses and airplanes are superior solutions in the USA. We have Amtrak and bus services for intercity travel, in addition to cars. There is a proposal for high speed rail between Dallas and Houston. It costs several billions, and adds nothing to the SW Airline shuttle service already in place.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 6/23/2024 10:35:23 AM (No. 1742028)
Amtrak has never made money. Since 2000, they have had total operating losses of almost $20 million and their budget assumes $1 billion per year combined operational losses, in perpetuity. HSR is Amtrak X 100.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 6/23/2024 10:52:37 AM (No. 1742035)
Their ultimate vision is 'sustainable' cities (ghettos) with high-speed rail between them. 99% of Americans will be made to live on 1% of the land (serfs). The elite 1% (nobility) will own 99% of the land. Welcome to modern day feudalism.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: mc squared 6/23/2024 10:54:52 AM (No. 1742036)
The east coast of Florida opened its HSR about a year ago. It passes here several times a day, empty as far as I can tell. Not cheap either.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: anniebc 6/23/2024 11:46:11 AM (No. 1742059)
The reasons the left likes high speed rail is cost (breaking the American bank consistently), control, and their ever increasing obsession with getting rid of cars for the little people, I might add; they will still have all the best stuff, and we're supposed to let them and like it.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: earlybird 6/23/2024 12:03:12 PM (No. 1742076)
Nothing we write can surpass this excellent article, The Author covers all the bases and very well..
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 6/23/2024 12:14:12 PM (No. 1742085)
Just try driving from London to Cornwall. For most of the way - - the two-way roads are barely wide enough for one car - - lack any kind of shoulder (which they call "verge") - - and are bounded by tall hedges and weeds - - which make it seem as if you're driving through a narrow tunnel. You too would scream for "high speed rail" - - - if you had to drive through that thicket every day. God Bless America!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: whyyeseyec 6/23/2024 1:14:26 PM (No. 1742114)
The article states - 'the cost to build a high-speed rail line from New York to California could exceed $716 billion.' That's just the cost to build. Then there's the administration and maintenance cost of operating the 'system', which will go on in perpetuity.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: earlybird 6/23/2024 1:24:06 PM (No. 1742121)
Europe has excellent rail service. Years ago we had a splendid 8 week tour of our own design and timing with First Class Eurailpasses that cost less than $300 each. No interest in the high speed rail from Paris to Nice. On other trips rental cars were fine for touring parts of France and a family Rover borrowed in England was used to tour by car all over England and Scotland. With even the narrow roads and roundabouts there is no better or more flexible/independent way to travel. I totally agree with the author's analysis and conclusion.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: WV.Hillbilly 6/23/2024 2:12:28 PM (No. 1742143)
To correct my #5 post. That's $20 BILLION. Wish there was an edit option here.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 6/23/2024 3:25:19 PM (No. 1742167)
Pretty much any passenger rail in the USA beyond short haul commuter lines in the NE megacities is a total disaster. In Free America, we see trains as ways to ship cargo, and a few tourist lines are kept rolling, usually just barely, by train hobbyists and historians. I have enjoyed riding on historic trains, the Cumbres-Toltec line, with lunch in a beautiful high altitude meadow in a nice cafeteria facility is recommended. This is in southern Colorado, south of Alamosa. As far as longer distance actual TRAVEL by rail in the USA.....total joke. Up to 800 miles, we always drive, and often for longer vacations we greatly prefer driving. Flying for business is the only thing that makes any sense, although the TSA totalitarians can make that a real PITA. Flying overseas is required. Talk to people who have tried to use the "scenic railway" portions of Amtrack, and you'll find that frequently the dining car is broke, so the "fine dining experience" is sandwiches and canned pop, and delays in the schedule often put the "scenic mountain views" in the middle of the night instead of daytime as originally planned. Amtrak is a disaster run by government drones who really don't give a damn if you ever come back. High speed rail is pretty much the same, just a LOT more expensive.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: DVC 6/23/2024 5:47:39 PM (No. 1742238)
Eiropeans generally have no idea of the size of the USA, and the number and quality of our highways. And we have just under 8 times as many airports as Europe. I have used trains in Europe a number of times, but in general, when we make our annual European vacation, we rent a car and drive everywhere. We enjoy the little things we didn't plan on. Like the tiny family chocolate maker in the middle of nowhere France. They had a small chocolate making museum, good explanations of the process of making chocolate, which it turns out is amazingly complex, requiring a bunch of highly specialized machinery. And we bought sample packs of their chocolates to eat, and for gifts for friends. Never would have seen that on a train or plane. Lots of other examples of unplanned side trips to se the real Europe, and meet people. MUCH prefer driving unless the distances are long. We generally drive to California from Kansas, too. Vist family and see the country, and again....run into unexpected delights. Like the balloon festival in a tiny town in rural, high valley Utah along the Sevier River. We were familiar with the area from flying our own planes over the west on flying vacations, so drove that route. Found a mass ascension the morning after we checked into a hotel. We went down in the very early cool and watched dozens of colorful hot air balloons ascend....for nothing, just delightful American fun. We love the unexpected delights of car travel.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: kono 6/23/2024 6:54:51 PM (No. 1742271)
To adjust the perspective, we're way ahead of Europe and Asia on the matter of high speed rail, because we already know it isn't a solution to our transportation needs. It's not even A solution, much less THE solution.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Drumie 6/23/2024 11:53:08 PM (No. 1742391)
Passenger rail in the U.S. can NEVER make money. If there was money in the rail passenger business, the railroads would be in it.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: mifla 6/24/2024 5:46:39 AM (No. 1742443)
One word: Amtrak.
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