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Toyota study shows electric vehicles may
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Posted By: Hazymac, 6/8/2023 9:34:16 AM

Virtually alone among major auto manufacturers, Toyota has been a skeptic about the conversion of vehicle fleets to battery-powered electric vehicles. For people incapable of thinking 2 or 3 steps ahead, EVs are “zero emission” and therefore “save the planet” from CO2 (presumed to control the earth’s temperature despite no statistical correlation). But this leaves out the environmental and CO2 cost of generating and transmitting electricity (mostly by burning coal in the US and many other countries), manufacturing (and recycling) the enormous batteries, and the energy and wear and tear cost of the much-heavier cars that result. Energy losses due to resistance in power lines generates heat

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Hazymac 6/8/2023 9:40:57 AM (No. 1487434)
Just yesterday Honda sent me an e-mail urging me to go pure electric. I responded tersely, telling Honda--even the great Honda Motor Company--that they would join GM and Ford among the great companies that went extinct listening to the Greens. I predict that even Elon Musk, who manufactures the best e-cars, will have to accept reality and start building gas and/or diesel Teslas. Humanity cannot afford electric. I ended my message to Honda by telling them I'd never have an e-car under any circumstances. Honda needs to wake up before it's too late. And good for Toyota!
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Reply 2 - Posted by: thomthomp 6/8/2023 10:13:42 AM (No. 1487481)
It is unnecessary to lower CO2 emissions PERIOD! Man-caused global warming is a hoax. CO2 levels have been far higher in the past, before SUVs, before gas stoves, before man. The Earth did not turn into a cinder. Life flourished. Climate change, nee global warming , is the greatest con in the history of mankind.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Vaquero45 6/8/2023 10:17:43 AM (No. 1487483)
This is one of the reasons I’ve been driving Toyotas for the past 22 years, and won’t consider buying anything else. They’re alone in standing up to the environazis. Their vehicles last forever, and they just don’t break down.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/8/2023 10:35:58 AM (No. 1487500)
Toyota already makes some of the most efficient vehicles on the road.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: chance_232 6/8/2023 10:49:53 AM (No. 1487511)
HERESY!!!! The witch, carbon neutral, sustainable and environmentally friendly burnings will commence immediately.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jimincalif 6/8/2023 11:08:45 AM (No. 1487537)
The whole carbon emissions premise is flawed. CO2 makes up 0.035% of earth’s atmosphere. Humans have created about 3.2% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere per the DOE (so likely even less given the government has an agenda here). So 0.035% times 3.2% = 0.0011% of the total atmosphere is human created CO2. Compared to all of the other forces and the scale of the earth compared to this, it’s preposterous to presume that we can have any impact on the global climate at all. If we eliminated all human caused CO2, including breathing, CO2 would still be 0.034% of the atmosphere.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: mc squared 6/8/2023 11:48:51 AM (No. 1487580)
#6; The Green Cabal already knows the numbers but it isn't about CO2. It's because they can twist so many arms with it.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DVC 6/8/2023 11:56:12 AM (No. 1487590)
Carbon dioxide is a beneficial trace gas in the atmosphere, which is critical for the survival of all green plants. More CO2 improves the health and growth of all green plants, including forests and crops, which are the basis for all life on Earth. There is no harm from increased CO2. The bizarre, wrong headed concept that "reducing CO2" is an important goal or task is pure nonsense without any scientific basis in facts. We need MORE CO2 to increase crop growth and let our green plants fully develop. Millions of years ago, before humans existed, CO2 levels were more than 10 times higher than today, and plants, animals and the planet flourished. There is NO HARM to CO2, it is a benefit.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: coyote 6/8/2023 2:11:17 PM (No. 1487692)
NO, to EVs.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JHHolliday 6/8/2023 2:12:08 PM (No. 1487693)
Ditto, #5. I have owned nothing but Toyotas for the last 16 years. My Camry is 21 years old and still runs like a fine watch. Minor maintenance is all it's ever needed. A couple of belts, an alternator and a brake job. My wife's car is a 2016 Sienna van. Both vehicles were built in the US. I will never take a chance on another "American" car.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: JimBob 6/8/2023 3:27:06 PM (No. 1487735)
But can any of this offset the 'EEeevil' (/sarc off) CO-Two being produced by all the new Chinese coal-fired power plants? China has been starting up a new Coal-Fired Power Plant EVERY WEEK for the past several years. America and Europe can completely shut down, and the supposed reduction in CO-Two will be more than offset by China's increase. But of course, as a Self-Proclaimed 'Developing Nation', China exempts itself from all this CO-Two nonsense. .... and by the way, the whole issue IS Nonsense. The Scam of the Century. Bigger than the Clinton/Obama/Biden/Media/FBI/CIA 'Trump-Russia Collusion' scam. Here's a link to an 'Animated Statistic' on coal production from 1900 to 2020. At the end, China's coal production dwarfs everyone else. (copy & paste the whole thing.... in my display, it takes 3 lines.) https://duckduckgo.com/?t=avast&q=animated+stats+coal+production&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqxQCOXt8LI4
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