Donald Trump Faces His First Big Policy
Test Over EVs
Red State,
by
Bonchie
Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan,
11/23/2024 4:50:18 PM
With the election in the rearview mirror, things are rightfully shifting from ensuring victory to focusing on delivering results. When the alternative was Kamala Harris, accepting disagreement was not only understandable but paramount. Now that Donald Trump has come out victorious, outcomes matter, and he's about to face his first big test.
The big three American automakers and the UAW union are preparing to pressure the incoming president to keep Joe Biden's disastrous EV mandates in place: [Tweet]
Three of the nation’s largest automakers, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, are strategizing with other car manufacturers on how to make a delicate request of President-elect Donald J. Trump:
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
franq 11/23/2024 5:03:09 PM (No. 1841615)
No. And no tax subsidy. EVs are a feel-good mirage, not grounded in reality. If people want them, let the market decide. Modern cars are already hopelessly complex, due solely to EPA mandates. Reliability and affordability have suffered tremendously.
37 people like this.
Reply 2 - Posted by:
Northcross 11/23/2024 5:06:17 PM (No. 1841618)
So let me get this right. The Big 3 automakers are lobbying to keep on making cars no one wants to buy? How big are these subsidies? Get rid of them and let the market decide what vehicles to manufacture.
38 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
Strike3 11/23/2024 5:10:42 PM (No. 1841619)
Make what you want, drive what you want. No subsidies. That's the only right way.
32 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
bgarrett 11/23/2024 5:12:00 PM (No. 1841622)
the information I have been seeing is that Ford wants out of EVs
20 people like this.
I hope Trump pulls the plug on electric cars. I expect him to do so.
28 people like this.
Reply 6 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 11/23/2024 5:36:10 PM (No. 1841629)
Immediately do away with all CAFE regulations. Let the market decide.
21 people like this.
Reply 7 - Posted by:
Birddog 11/23/2024 5:40:30 PM (No. 1841633)
He should say..."You are CAR companies, build and sell cars...not chase Govt carveouts and handouts."
It's not as if the endeavor cannot be profitable, Tesla started from scratch, was frozen out of most Govt programs, isn't even allowed dealerships in most states(48 states have Independent dealer laws, no "Factory/Dealerships" allowed), not even a "Gallery" where people can come and look at a Tesla, let alone test drive or buy one, people have to buy them online from out of state.. THEY sold 5 million cars, and don't LOSE $60k/$90k every vehicle made.
20 people like this.
Reply 8 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 11/23/2024 5:46:44 PM (No. 1841638)
Given that the manufacturers, Ford in particular, have taken a financial drubbing over EVs, not sure why they would be so stupid as to remain beholden to such burdensome mandates. Shareholders should be in revolt over such stupidity.
20 people like this.
Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 11/23/2024 6:08:03 PM (No. 1841645)
Dump EV tax credits and all EV mandates. ELIMINATE all EPA fuel economy regulations.
23 people like this.
The automakers were forced to sink billions into facilities and processes in order to comply with the current mandates. So much so, that they now need the new administration to stay the course and continue to force consumers to buy their new product lines. This is yet another leftover mess for Trump to have to deal with. And I've always been a bit concerned about the tight relationship with Musk. Is the President getting himself into a position where he won't declare that EV's are a BS idea and there will be no more federal assistance in the form of rebates or other incentives?
10 people like this.
The general idea behind capitalism is you make a product or provide a service that people want, and you prosper. The involvement of our socialist government has caused this problem with EVs and manufacturers.
12 people like this.
Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 11/23/2024 6:50:09 PM (No. 1841667)
Re #8. Since these companies have spent billions on setting up EV production, and made huge numbers that they can't sell, they see their best way out is the government FORCING people to buy their unwanted products.
Otherwise, they'd be eating the costs associated with their stupid, stupid choice to go whole hog on useless EVs.
9 people like this.
Reply 13 - Posted by:
NotaBene 11/23/2024 6:55:20 PM (No. 1841669)
No electric vehicles. The UAW is Communist. Give them nothing. My family has driven Fords continuously since 1946, but they can stick the EV Mustang you know where.
8 people like this.
Reply 14 - Posted by:
volksford 11/23/2024 7:11:05 PM (No. 1841679)
We ain't bailing out the UAW again !
6 people like this.
Reply 15 - Posted by:
jimincalif 11/23/2024 7:44:51 PM (No. 1841703)
If the mandate remains, eventually the US will resemble Havana, with old clunkers being kept on the road by any means necessary, since most people won’t be able to afford to replace them with one of the few (and therefore very high priced) gas cars. Of course these old cars will be less safe with worn out parts and safety features that no longer work, so more people will die. The misallocation of resources will decrease productivity and result in lowering our standard of living, and the auto industry will still end up failing, but they will scream for bailouts because they were just doing what the government told them to do.
6 people like this.
Reply 16 - Posted by:
vhs68 11/23/2024 8:02:44 PM (No. 1841714)
I can't believe that Ford is supporting these comments. They have seen the light and are trying to save themselves and the U.S. in decelerating their investment in ev's.
4 people like this.
Reply 17 - Posted by:
Venturer 11/23/2024 8:11:14 PM (No. 1841722)
The EV's have got to go. They don't need to build any more, they have enough built to last them another 4 years just to sell the last one at a 75% discount.
8 people like this.
Reply 18 - Posted by:
mc squared 11/23/2024 8:25:50 PM (No. 1841727)
The market will take care of that.
2 people like this.
Reply 19 - Posted by:
stablemoney 11/23/2024 8:27:58 PM (No. 1841728)
The people vs the car companies that have invested their futures on the subsidies of the left, instead of the market. The car companies are now bankrupt, and want to be state owned enterprises, rather than face their mistakes. The people have ruled, and don't want the EV's, or the socialism.
4 people like this.
Reply 20 - Posted by:
JHHolliday 11/23/2024 9:07:44 PM (No. 1841741)
I don't want an EV and will not buy one. Apparently, I am in with the great majority. They are not practical for most people like waiting for a charge when they can fill their tank of gasoline in ten minutes.
I have to be honest though...I have an EV. It's called a golf cart and I use it to ride around to fish in my little lake community. It's perfect for that but I would be courting death to try to use it on a highway.
6 people like this.
Reply 21 - Posted by:
DVC 11/23/2024 9:55:32 PM (No. 1841761)
Re #20, I inherited a golf cart and use it around my rural Kansas property. But it's powered with gas, too.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
DVC 11/23/2024 11:16:34 PM (No. 1841780)
Roll back ALL federal auto emissions and fuel economy requirements to the year 2000, and freeze them there. Cars and trucks will get cheaper and better and easier to maintain and they will last longer.
5 people like this.
Reply 23 - Posted by:
snakeoil 11/24/2024 12:54:11 AM (No. 1841790)
Treat cars the way we treat toothpaste. Let the market decide. Get the government out. Let people buy what they want.
3 people like this.
I don't want an EV. But I'm paying because my electric company is raising their rates again to build more EV charging stations. Yet, the ones here already aren't used very much.
0 people like this.
Reply 25 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 11/24/2024 2:36:55 AM (No. 1841796)
I still say we are 25 or 30 years away from everybody driving one of these Napoleon Blown Apart cars. They are fine, until they aren't.
2 people like this.
Reply 26 - Posted by:
mifla 11/24/2024 5:04:20 AM (No. 1841805)
The car companies, along with the oil companies, know that Trump is a one term president. They don't want to reverse the direction of the past four years, only to be told to reverse direction again in 2028 when a Dem is back in office.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
jimincalif 11/24/2024 9:32:31 AM (No. 1841906)
#26 rightfully points out a significant concern. I think the federal EV mandate comes from EPA regulations, not Congress. Did Congress really delegate that much authority to the EPA and is it even constitutional? In the 2022 West Virginia v EPA case SCOTUS held that regulatory agencies can’t decide major economic issues without specific Congressional authorization. Elon and Vivek are running with this in DOGE. They might toss the mandate and it will be off to court again. Of course Elon has a vested interest in EVs, so there is that too. It would be great to get another case that reinforces the WV one during the next four years. But for all I know CJ Roberts may decide it’s a form of taxation and therefore constitutional.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
chagrined 11/24/2024 10:18:33 AM (No. 1841950)
Let car companies make whatever cars they want. DOGE the EPA. Run the climate clowns outta town on a rail!
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