American automotive giant Stellantis recalls
more than 200,000 vehicles over major
stability concerns
Daily Mail (UK),
by
Sophie Mann
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
6/9/2024 9:07:44 PM
Car manufacturer Stellantis is recalling more than 200,000 SUVs and pickup trucks due to a software malfunction that may cause a vehicle's electronic stability control systems to fail.
The company is claiming the problem is caused by a defective anti-lock braking system, which is sometimes deactivating the stability control system.
The impacted models are the 2022 Dodge Durango, and the 2022 Ram 2500 and 3500.
The Ram 2500 is the model with by far the most vehicles impacted. Nearly 158,000 of the 2500 pickups will be recalled, while just over 500 Ram 3500s are affected.
Around 53,000 Durangos will be recalled.
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
oldsfc 6/9/2024 9:17:59 PM (No. 1734489)
Strange, I thought Fiat bought them when obama was dictator.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 6/10/2024 1:56:55 AM (No. 1734549)
Hmmmm. the vehicle's electronic stability controls could fail. And then? We have been driving vehicles without any "electronic stability controls" for a century and SOMEHOW us ignorant peasants manage to generally keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down.
Sounds like nonsense to me.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 6/10/2024 2:19:46 AM (No. 1734556)
I had no idea they were still making what my dad called "Dodge products." He quit the brand after the 1953 Plymouth. I loved that heap; I only got to drive it up and down the the driveway. Ditto on the Fiat buyout. Oh well. I married a Pontiac man--so no more two-toned cars for me.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
LadyHen 6/10/2024 2:33:36 AM (No. 1734557)
fta: The impacted models are the 2022 Dodge Durango, and the 2022 Ram 2500 and 3500.
There ya go. Get to the dealership.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Strike3 6/10/2024 8:12:49 AM (No. 1734657)
The advice has held true since 1970. Don't buy a Dodge or a Chrysler.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
franq 6/10/2024 8:17:02 AM (No. 1734661)
Rolling computers. That was the description a guy across from me at a Sheetz gas pump gave. I have no desire to own anything remotely like these vehicles.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
franq 6/10/2024 8:36:25 AM (No. 1734678)
Upon reflection, I realized I ALREADY own "such vehicles". 🥴 My 2008 Impala, and even my wife's 2001 E320 have systems akin to this. But I have a line, Lord willing, on a 1972 Beetle that will run even after the dreaded EMP. Mad Max, here we come!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
red1066 6/10/2024 8:47:42 AM (No. 1734686)
I guess I lucked out when I bought a new Jeep Grand Cherokee back in 2012. I put 183,000 miles on it over eight years, and never had problem with it. I had to beg the dealer to replace a belt at 96,000 miles. They claimed it was fine. I had the oil changed every three thousand miles, and when I traded it in, it still had the original brakes and rotors and shocks on it. Again, the dealer stated all those items were in good shape. I spoiled me for any other new car I would buy. I traded it in because I was afraid of the thousand plus dollar repair job that would eventually come. No other new car I have ever owned ran and handled as well as this Jeep with virtually no maintenance costs over that long a period of time and with that many miles. Even the oil changes were free at the dealership.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Old Army Vet 6/10/2024 10:02:57 AM (No. 1734763)
I've had one Chrysler product in my long driving career. Pure crap. I wouldn't wish Chrysler on my worst enemy.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
mc squared 6/10/2024 10:07:17 AM (No. 1734765)
I began driving in the mid-60's. We all did just fine.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 6/10/2024 11:20:11 AM (No. 1734809)
Re #6, unless your car was built before 1980, you ARE driving a 'rolling computer'. The older you go, the simpler the computers were and the fewer things that they control, but they are there.
Imagine my surprise when my 2006 4Runner rear hatch latch quit working properly, seemed sticky. It is an auromated (ridiculous overkill) latch which pulls down the hatch tightly closed with an electric motor to do the final latching. After removing it, cleaning, greasing and bench checking the latch assembly with a motor, gearbox and two limit switches I installed it. NOTHING, didn't even try. After checking the wiring and removing and again bench checking, still NADA. A look on YouTube found that others had similar problems.....and discovered that removing the wire from the latch - even with the car OFF, takes it our of the "network" that is the car, and it's done. Solution? Disconnect the battery, a complete cold reboot of the entire system where it goes out and checks to see what's on line....door latches? We're here. Headlights? Yep, we're on line. Brakes? Yep, all present and accounted for. Transmission? I'm here. Transfer case? Yep, in hi range, 2WD, ready to go. And so on....the whole damned car is a computer network with CPUs in all the bits and pieces.
And THEN the latch worked perfectly.
This is an 18 year old vehicle, but still computers galore, sadly.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
DVC 6/10/2024 1:00:24 PM (No. 1734861)
Re #7, most modern cars will also run after EMP. Testing has shown that the most affected needed the battery disconnected to force a 'hard reboot' of the computers.
It turns out that having a ton of sensor and computer function wires within inches of literal lightning bolts that are your spark ignition system and having it all work requires excellent protection of the systems from stray voltages and induced currents as EMPs do.
OTOH, that 1972 Bug is pretty seriously simple, and ZERO computers anywhere....unless it is a
Type 3, which is the hatchback or station wagon model. Those started with computerized fuel injection
in 1968, amazingly. But all the Bugs of the early 70s were carbureted and simple as heck. Don't forget
to adjust the valve clearances and change the oil every 3000 miles.....not doing BOTH of these will kill it.
I put myself thru grad school fixing people's VWs, mostly from not adjusting the valves every 3,000 miles.
This particular air cooled engine DEMANDS it, and if one of the exhaust valves gets too tight, it will overheat and then eventually the head of the valve....a 1.5" diameter steel disk will punch a hole in the piston, destroy the cylinder head and generally trash at least half of the engine. Adjust the valves
regularly and they'll run a LONG time, High oil temps for air cooled engines (they are air and OIL cooled) means short oil life. Change it every 3,000 miles, too. Clean and gap plugs at 6,000 and new cap, rotor,
plugs at 12,000. Old cars were maintenance hogs but still SIMPLE and the maintenance is EASY.
As the old mechanic TV ad said "Pay me now, or pay me later." Do the preventative maintenance, or
rebuild a destroyed engine.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
chagrined 6/10/2024 1:10:48 PM (No. 1734867)
I suspect what quality Dodge had prior to hussein forcing the sale to Fiat in 2014 (to get a bailout?) started deteriorating soon thereafter when the DEI minded(?) Italians got a hold of it. I know a lot of people on here say these vehicles are junk, but I musta got lucky or something. . .twice.
Owned a 2012 Challenger R/T with standard transmission and enjoyed it for 7.5 years without incident/breakdown before selling it for half the price I paid brand new. Yeah, that happens a lot, huh? I think it's still the best looking car on the road today so it's a pity there gonna make an EV out of it.
I still own a 2016 Dodge Ram Lone Star which I got for a song back in 12/2017. Yep, it sat on the small town dealer's lot for over a year before I purchased it brand new for a hefty discount. I paid the same amount for it that I did my brand new 2000 Chevy C2500 (first new vehicle of my life right there). It had some small hail dents and apparently no one else wanted it. The clear coat was still intact so it didn't bother me. It's a truck! Btw, I just drove it across 450 miles of Texas, and still had enough gas in the tank for another 150 miles. Oh yeah, not a single problem with it either.
Anyways, I didn't find the problems others ran across with Dodge products, but wouldn't be surprised if that's changed in more recent years.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
DrOstrow 6/10/2024 2:13:15 PM (No. 1734886)
Don't worry folks, the problems with all the computers in modern cars are just
'teething problems' !! All of these minor issues will be handled as soon as AI is on ALL cars !!
Yeah, right. AI is NOTHING more that larger, more complex, more interconnected
and therefore MORE BUGGY computer programs !!
The icing on the cake ( or blood on what's left of the car ! ) is when you NO LONGER
actually DRIVE the care yourself ! Just wait, the '14 year olds' ( emotionally anyway ) pushing
this insanity have great plans for your future 'motoring experience' !!
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
franq 6/10/2024 3:23:33 PM (No. 1734915)
Thanks for the tips, #12. My first car was a Beetle, same color as potential buy, but not a convertible. Need to have some fun in my old age. Will need a lot of chrome replaced, especially bumpers, but parts are plentiful and cheap. Looking forward to it.
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