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San Francisco’s Train System is Still
Running on Floppy Disks

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Posted By: Beardo, 4/10/2024 8:59:07 AM

In 1998, San Francisco installed the latest cutting-edge technology to run the train network: floppy disks. A quarter of a century later and the city’s transportation agency is still using the same system. People under the age of 30 might not know what a floppy disk is; an archaic way of storing data (think USB stick). But the workers at San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) sure do as they are still using obsolete tech to automate the movement of light rail vehicles. (snip) The SMFTA uses five-inch floppy disks to automatically control trains inside the subway.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: chumley 4/10/2024 9:05:39 AM (No. 1696464)
I fail to see the problem. The old system probably did the job very well. "Upgrades" cost a lot of money and rarely upgrade anything. Plus the certainty that any abilities the government has will be abused. Let them rot.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: franq 4/10/2024 9:13:18 AM (No. 1696471)
I dig the retro vibe, man.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: NorthernDog 4/10/2024 9:13:48 AM (No. 1696473)
Most software systems are outdated by the time they are fully installed. Good luck fitting a new system into your budget.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 4/10/2024 9:43:56 AM (No. 1696491)
5” Floppy Discs! lol! Gobment! Probably got millions each year to fix it
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Reply 5 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 4/10/2024 9:49:10 AM (No. 1696494)
I’d bet they are running on old Tandy Computers! Idiots! Whatever program they devised is way less powerful than a cheap cell phone today! Bet they lost the source code years ago! Wow!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jimincalif 4/10/2024 9:55:08 AM (No. 1696498)
The article says the system dates from 1998, without hardrives. Either the date is wrong or they installed a system that was already 15 years obsolete. The IBM PC XT (with a 10mb hard drive) came out in 1983!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: padiva 4/10/2024 10:29:08 AM (No. 1696524)
#3 Government entities don't have to stay within a budget. /s
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Reply 8 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 4/10/2024 10:34:55 AM (No. 1696526)
And what technology is the mayoress of SF running on?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 4/10/2024 10:50:54 AM (No. 1696539)
Only with corrupt leftists in charge does this sort of crap happen.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Vesicant 4/10/2024 11:00:51 AM (No. 1696560)
Every IT project in California history has been a complete disaster. This one will be 10 years late and 10 times over budget, if it even finishes at all. independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=13242
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Reply 11 - Posted by: mc squared 4/10/2024 11:01:29 AM (No. 1696561)
Seems the software and programming is still working fine (don't want to re-write it and find bugs for years) but 5 inch floppies! Where do they find them? I'm sure there is a better way to store their data.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Vaquero45 4/10/2024 11:13:11 AM (No. 1696574)
The reporter who wrote this story is an idiot. Probably a "millenial" who went to journalism school. Floppy disks date back to the mid-1970's. In 1998 you could get a computer with Windows 98. Typical government operation.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: DVC 4/10/2024 11:53:22 AM (No. 1696598)
These are serial comms units, and could be easily and relatively cheaply upgraded to other serial comms devices....like a thumb drive. They'd need an interface card, but good grief, this is stone age tech. Even a thumb drive is old tech, just stable.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: crashnburn 4/10/2024 12:20:59 PM (No. 1696619)
Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Schnapps 4/10/2024 2:11:37 PM (No. 1696685)
Still a lot safer than moving the system to the "cloud" where the Chinese can hack it at their leisure. BTW, where does SFMTA buy five-inch floppies these days? eBay?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: MickTurn 4/10/2024 2:11:45 PM (No. 1696686)
And the train operators are running on Floppy's as well.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 4/10/2024 2:13:31 PM (No. 1696688)
Absolutely agree that upgrading from a floppy disk to another type of storage would be trivial, cheap, and far more reliable. It should have been done decades ago. This is a perfect example of why government run systems are so inefficient. Government bureaucracy is stupid and inefficient. A business would immediately update systems because they are better for everyone. Companies I worked for would upgrade tech people every 4 or 5 years. They would take the old tech systems (usually fairly high end) and give them to the company bureaucrats, which, for them, was an upgrade. People can work far faster and more efficiently. Newer tech that controls the train system better and more safely could be integrated.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: red1066 4/10/2024 4:31:00 PM (No. 1696774)
So, the train system is more advanced than the air traffic control system.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: nwcudagal 4/10/2024 5:26:40 PM (No. 1696801)
A couple decades ago I was in charge of IT for a local government. (How I hated lugging those discs to a bank vault every week.) Ironically in 2016 a fellow IT person sent me a link to an entire article about floppy discs: "US military uses 8-inch floppy disks to coordinate nuclear force operations". This was posted on a CNBC site. They were still using the 1970's IBM mainframes (as were we).
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