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IRS firepower: Actions speak louder than words

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Posted By: VietVet68, 4/26/2025 10:37:59 AM

Let’s bear that in mind while looking at the amount of firepower the IRS can deploy. In 2020, they had 2,100 “special agents,” who carry firearms and are fully trained to use them. These are law enforcement officers against tax evaders. They inventoried nearly 4,500 firearms, including 15 “submachine guns” (probably M-16 or M-4 automatic rifles) and 539 long-barreled guns (presumably AR-15s and a few semi-auto shotguns). They also had 5 million rounds of ammo, which should be more than enough.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: VietVet68 4/26/2025 10:40:47 AM (No. 1940206)
I know we dodged a bullet when we reelected Donald Trump to the presidency but the arming of the IRS makes me wonder just what the evil democrats had in store for us had Trump lost. With the firepower bestowed on the IRS by democrats you can bet it wouldn't have been good for us.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 4/26/2025 11:10:23 AM (No. 1940238)
Actually, the submachine guns are probably actual submachine guns, likely MP5 9mms. No IRS person should ever be armed with anything more than a computer and a phone.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: sanspeur 4/26/2025 11:14:32 AM (No. 1940245)
remember this all started with obama’s engineering of ammo supplies . He was making it scarce and driving prices up . It was commonly thought he and hilly were actually sending guns and ammo off shore to do “color “ coups abroad .. like Benghazi ! . So , are the guns , weapons & ammo still “in country “ here ? or to our bff like the uke etc ?
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Reply 4 - Posted by: billa57 4/26/2025 11:23:21 AM (No. 1940265)
Dems had big plans when they forced the banks to report any deposits over $500 to the IRS. That with Biden's newly hired 87,000 new IRS employees, they planned on going after the working-class big time. Apparently to the point of taking money at gun point.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: asparagus 4/26/2025 11:24:49 AM (No. 1940268)
#3 is right. In 2012 d dHS purchased millions of rounds of ammunition DHS purchased millions of rounds of ammo. According to OpentheBooks the Social Security Administration purchased on the order of 150,000 for their special agents. The feds waved off concerns about why the Social Security Administration needed armed law enforcement. It's true that this all drove up ammo prices but I think it has to be possible that this was in case there was an armed insurrection by fatriots fed up with unconstitutional restrictions.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 4/26/2025 12:05:23 PM (No. 1940320)
Re #5, that "too much ammo" thin was around for a long time and as a serious shooter, with many friends in law enforcement, I did a little math on the "immense amounts of ammunition" and found that it was not at all out of line for what would be needed to be kept on hand for a few years of training. Probably did buy more than they actually used, but not like 100 times, perhaps 1.5 times or even twice what they used up on training. 4,000 officers, qualifying twice per year, using 200 rounds per qualification, will shoot up 800,000 rounds per six months, 1.6 million rounds per year, just in training. Training is often 50 or 100 rounds, but often officers are given one run thru to 'warm up'. and then one 'to count'. Even at barest minimal 50 rounds of qualification firing, for 4K officers this is 300,000 rounds every six months. And lately, ordinary shooters have been the beneficiaries of some of this state and federal overspending on ammo. Fortunately for us, they have very strict rules on 'rotation of ammunition stocks'. So, they buy 1,000,000 rounds of ammunition and use 800,000 in training, and after three years on the shelf, they 'surplus it out' and it gets returned to the supplier, basically "trade in value" for new ammo. Maybe 15 cents on the dollar of original price. The good news is that this "surplus" ammo shows up on the shelves of some of the larger gun and ammo suppliers, who sell to the general public, too. I have bought plenty of very difficult to find, and if you find it, extremely expensive, like $1 to $1.50 per shot high performance 9mmm, .40 and .45 caliber ammunition for about 1/3 of normal price, sometimes less. Has it sat on a shelf for a couple of years? Yep, but I have shot a lot of military surplus ammo that was 75 or 80 years old and unless it was British, it all worked perfectly. Something about British primers.....they crap out after about 30-50 years. So - you can find "surplus" modern, Federal, Speer, Remington or Winchester top grade self defense ammo at many outlets for far cheaper than normal prices. Of course, WE PAID FOR IT before it was surplused, but if you buy it cheap and use it, you are recouping some of your tax dollars.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: mc squared 4/26/2025 12:11:18 PM (No. 1940334)
Arming the IRS and dis-arming the public. There's an old pattern here.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Strike3 4/26/2025 12:56:07 PM (No. 1940366)
The semi-auto version of the MP5 (SP5) is still priced at $3000 the last time I checked. It's a good thing the IRS had an unlimited source of cash.
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