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Should we pay poor people to get sterilized?

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Posted By: Big Bopper, 1/20/2024 8:26:42 PM

Back in the good old days of Roe v. Wade (unless you were a fetus) we paid poor people to have abortions. Ok, we didn’t pay the money directly to them, but instead paid it through Medicaid to their abortionist. Abortions that were not paid for by Medicaid were almost always paid for by private insurance or were done for free at abortion clinics as a “public service.” It’s safe to say that the killing of hardly any babies was paid for by the mother, except perhaps in a lifelong emotion way. That’s the way we set up the system. We didn’t want such women to have babies.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Ketchuplover 1/20/2024 8:45:23 PM (No. 1640900)
Sure hope this Nazi-esque sounding article was written as satire per Jonathan Swift. Just because the govt bribed and coerced and forced people to get the clot shot, doesn't mean that we should use those same techniques on the less educated (although, I must admit that within 1 or 2 generations, the Democrat Party would be extinct.)
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Reply 2 - Posted by: slipstik 1/20/2024 8:47:40 PM (No. 1640901)
That's what the vaxx is for. Kill and/or sterilize. It works like a charm
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Reply 3 - Posted by: AntiStatist 1/20/2024 8:53:10 PM (No. 1640904)
I would support this- it’s free choice, doesn’t involve killing (as does abortion), and it is immoral to force others (taxpayers) to pay for the spawn of stupid people. This is a good solution.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DVC 1/20/2024 8:56:32 PM (No. 1640907)
Ben Carson's mother was poor. I'm glad she wasn't sterilized. Probably thousands of other exampkkes. Bad idea. Evil Margaret Sanger was inbfavor of this.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: chance_232 1/20/2024 9:05:29 PM (No. 1640918)
I belive that sterilization should be a requirement after an abortion..... for both "parents". That said, if insurance companies or charitable organizations want to pay for sterilization, go for it. But the taxpayers shouldn't be picking up the tab.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Big Bopper 1/20/2024 9:06:29 PM (No. 1640919)
No. 4: But don't you wish Adolph Hitler's mother had been sterilized? The point is, you can always point to examples where we're glad, or sad, that someone wasn't sterilized. They balance out. So it's not much of an argument. Actually, they don't balance out. It's quite likely that, on balance, the villains of history had the sort of mothers who would have taken the $1,000 to be sterilized.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Catherine 1/20/2024 9:19:29 PM (No. 1640926)
Only if they want it.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Timber Queen 1/20/2024 9:26:09 PM (No. 1640931)
No. We are human beings, not animals. Men and women are made in the likeness of God. The answer to our broken society is to turn our faces back to Our Creator and to live by His precepts as described in Holy Scripture. We must hold again fertility and reproduction as sacred things; consider family as the cornerstone of civilization and marriage as the centerpiece of human bonding. We need to raise Godly men and women to positions of influence and power. We need to once again have strict standards as to who teaches our children, who preaches in our pulpits, and who writes and passes our laws.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: OhioNick 1/20/2024 10:00:09 PM (No. 1640949)
Although I disagree with the premise that we should pay people to get sterilized, it's rather troubling that the members of our society who are the least financially and educationally prepared to have children are the ones having the most offspring. We don't need to pay for sterilization. We need to completely end President Johnson's social engineering programs, which pays women to have more and more children out of wedlock. The welfare fiasco destroyed our large cities.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Trigger2 1/21/2024 1:33:29 AM (No. 1641005)
The answer is yes.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: LadyHen 1/21/2024 2:37:08 AM (No. 1641013)
No #6 (author of this article ?).. I don't. THAT IS HITLER. Sterilizing people is exactly what he did. Every human life is from God and has the dignity of the Holy Spirit. What we through free will choose to do with that life is on us. Sterilization and abortion are the tools of the Left. Beware reading this author.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: plomke 1/21/2024 4:35:20 AM (No. 1641027)
Funny how it always ends this way. We worship Death,instead of Life. Maybe the next civilization will get it right...
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Reply 13 - Posted by: 5 handicap 1/21/2024 5:43:11 AM (No. 1641035)
#11 come down off your high-horse! Hitler offered no Choice...Your values on cherished life are valid, but there is no mention of contraception nor sterilization in any Holy Book I've read. Your "Feelings" are not valid whatsoever for anyone but you!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Strike3 1/21/2024 8:33:47 AM (No. 1641112)
Purely as a financial investment, this solution is genius. Paying for the entire lifetime of one useless parasite is very expensive for others. The ideal moral solution would be to stop forcing working taxpayers who pay their own way through life to pay for the lazy barnyard lifestyle of those on government subsistence of any kind. Darwin's Law would eventually fix the problem.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: jdano 1/21/2024 9:25:14 AM (No. 1641138)
If you consider 6 generations on welfare as their goal, while pumping out fatherless thugs, sterilization should be mandatory.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Namma 1/21/2024 9:35:38 AM (No. 1641145)
Sterilizing people is taking away their reproducing rights. the whole dem party would have to rethink their abortion rights agenda.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Rather Read 1/21/2024 9:47:47 AM (No. 1641156)
Margaret Sanger and the rest of the eugenicists were in favor of this. I am not.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Rumblehog 1/21/2024 9:54:46 AM (No. 1641163)
Glenn Beaton should write a new book, "Eugenics and You! (Embracing the New World Order)." /s Hitler and Josef Goebbels were both big Eugenicists, thanks to the movement that began in the U.S.A. at the turn of the 20th Century. At least that was before the Third Reich discovered "Genocide" as being far more "instantly effective" than preventing the undesirables from "breeding." Neither the American or German Eugenicists ever felt compelled to "pay" their "targets" to go under the knife, they just did it under the power of law.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 1/21/2024 10:58:14 AM (No. 1641203)
China's on board. They already practice sterilization on their own people. Look where its got them. Iran would support sterilization. but only on Jews and Christians. They call it genocide and think its a good thing. The elites of the world that want your wealth, freedom, and rights are all for it. The ultimate in elitism: Holding the power of life and death in one's hands. Elites like playing God. That's why they don't really believe in him. There is enough disregard for human life in the world. Don't add to it.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Hazymac 1/21/2024 11:07:45 AM (No. 1641210)
What #8 wrote almost made me cry. Fantastic. Total agreement. Thank you, dear LDotter.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: AltaD 1/21/2024 11:10:57 AM (No. 1641211)
Is this satire? If so, it's not well thought out. He suggests (jokes?) that rich individuals or foundations fund his sterilization scheme and then names Elon specifically. Guess he's not aware that Elon Musk, who has nearly a dozen children, believes people need to have more babies.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Big Bopper 1/21/2024 11:19:04 AM (No. 1641223)
People get sterilized all the time, by their own choice. Vasectomy is the typical method for men. Women sometimes choose to have their tubes tied. So what's the problem with giving them a little money to help them out?
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Reply 23 - Posted by: mc squared 1/21/2024 11:26:45 AM (No. 1641232)
I didn't see anything Hitler-esque in this; it's voluntary like tying tubes and done all the time. Give them a grand or two to keep from having dependent & frequently, lawless kids. Social costs and crime should be reduced.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: LadyHen 1/21/2024 12:11:28 PM (No. 1641266)
#13. This "high horse" and "feelings" you speak of was the theological belief of billions of Christians worldwide prior to the middle of last century. For those of us who come from a background where our faith is uplifted and confirmed by Tradition that goes back to the Holy Apostles, the Holy Scripture is the creation of God through His Church and her Saints, not an instruction manual you get when you walk in the church doors on Sunday and a story book filled with platitudes and allegory. A more logical and more socially responsible action instead of paying the poor to not voluntarily destroy their capability to have children would be to stop incentivizing single motherhood which is the single highest indicator of future impoverishment, abuse, and eventual incarceration for her offspring. And then incentivize marriage and having children in the marital union. Paying someone to "voluntarily" be sterilized? That sounds very much like eugenics, how many of us right here on this board within 2 or 3 generations can claim family who lived in true poverty? I know I can. What if the elites of that time had forced such policies on the public as they did in other countries? How many of us, the descendants of the poor, would not be here now? And as we have seen when these forward thinking "social experiments" get a couple decades down the Progressive trail, they stop being "voluntary" and start being more and more mandatory. Abortion.. "safe, legal, and rare" became anything but and eventually was just seen as birth control for millions of women. Euthanasia.. a way to give the dying dignity in death has now become a way to dispose of the expensive elderly in some countries with socialized medicine. Transgender therapy.. once the province of only a tiny group of adults and mostly middle aged men with weird sexual fetishes, now families of young girls are being forced to comply with the state in the act of mutilating their own child or risk losing that child. And finally, while I am not Catholic, the example of Pope Saint John Paul II and his choice to give his bodily suffering as death approached as a sacrifice to Christ was awe inspiring. He believed as do I and many that interference in the natural order to a degree that it dehumanizes us, that it does not recognize in us the divine spark and the drive toward Theosis all believers in Jesus should strive for, these practices that treats us as little more than lab rats are evil and soul destroying.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Big Bopper 1/21/2024 12:52:52 PM (No. 1641287)
Refusing to give a needy person a little money for permanent birth control that they desire, is a lot like saying that they are forced to have children. We can let people make their own choice about such a thing. As for the commenters' proclamations about "God's will" that people don't get permanent birth control, how do any of us purport to know what God's will is about that? And if it IS God's will that people don't get permanent birth control, then what about temporary birth control? Is it God's will that they not use the pill or condoms or the rhythm method? I see nothing wrong, and a lot right, about giving people a little money to do something they think will help them and the world, and will harm no one.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: franq 1/21/2024 1:06:36 PM (No. 1641296)
Sounds good on paper, but what about the "ooops"? Vasectomies in particular have a recovery/monitor period which the barnyard set may not heed.
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