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Peggy Noonan may be right—and let’s
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Posted By: DW626, 6/6/2023 1:25:31 PM

On Monday, David Zuckerman wrote a good piece about Peggy Noonan and her WSJ editorial concerning former President Donald Trump. Noonan argues that electing Donald Trump again would destroy the Republican party. Peggy may be right, and I hope that she is. Trump’s success in 2016 was, in large part, due to the way that he took the mechanisms of the Republican political machine and used them to secure victory. He ran a third-party-style campaign within the structure of the Republican party. The “party” as a corporate entity was against him, but grassroots Republicans in name and philosophy were all in for candidate Donald Trump.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: cmardh 6/6/2023 1:30:08 PM (No. 1486009)
Yeah…poor Peggy. She whines about the demise of the Republican Party like it’s a bad thing. Have some more sherry.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird 6/6/2023 1:42:09 PM (No. 1486019)
This a superb article that should be a Must Read for all of us. The Republican establishment is not MAGA. Instead, MAGA is a creation of President Trump and his supporters. The Republicans in Washington work in a feigned conflict with Democrats that leads to a power structure that always gets what it wants. Both parties have a few people that try to push the limits for change, but the establishment always wins. Washington insiders build their power, the government gets larger, and the ranks of government employees grow. The country outside of Washington pays the bills. The author correctlypoints out that PDJT’s troublesome appointments were largely recommended by the GOPe. Deliberately doomed to cause him trouble. And there is much more. Read this one and share it.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: JoElla Bee 6/6/2023 2:14:08 PM (No. 1486052)
FTA: “It was the establishment Republicans who convinced President Trump to appoint and continue the leadership within the Department of Justice that is currently on a political vendetta to influence the results of another election.” It was also establishment Republicans who convinced Ron DeSantis to run against Trump in 2024. Perhaps he was hoodwinked into trusting them, just as PDT was in administration appointments in 2016. Regardless, the good will of MAGA supporters toward DeSantis is obviously being used in an effort to hoodwink Conservatives, rid the GOP establishment of Trump, & rein in any threat DeSantis might pose to maintaining their power.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: plomke 6/6/2023 2:58:05 PM (No. 1486075)
In reality, we have lost control of our government and are now ruled by interests that have bought our electeds. Try removing power from the central government. Legally. You will be squashed. Try other means and you are executed. So...any other ideas???
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Reply 5 - Posted by: red1066 6/6/2023 3:04:41 PM (No. 1486081)
Remember all the turnover during the first two years of Trump's presidency? That was because of all the inside the beltway recommendations for positions in the Trump administration. They didn't do want to do what Trump wanted to do and were constantly running to the MSM to rat on Trump and stonewalling. As far as I'm concerned, 60% of the Republicans might as well be demosluts. The term uniparty is just fact.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 6/6/2023 3:53:09 PM (No. 1486124)
Destroying Noonan's version of the Republican Party would be wonderful.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: anniebc 6/6/2023 4:45:05 PM (No. 1486149)
What Republican Party?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rhh0nda 6/6/2023 6:28:41 PM (No. 1486228)
Best Foods or Hellman's? It doesn't matter. It's just a name, a brand, a label. Every vessel is filled with the same product which is manufactured by a single private corporation, Unilever. RNC or DNC? It doesn't matter. It's just a name, a brand, a label. Every vessel is filled with the same product which is manufactured by a single private corporation, UniParty. UniParty shareholder and Spokesperson Noonan isn't hysterical over the lawlessness, corruption drugs,deficit spending, lying and spying or endless wars inside those RNC and DNC vessels, behind those labels. No! She's hysterical because Trump has successfully brought a healthy, organic alternative to market and it is destroying the UniParty's ability to make profit! Biden or DeSantis? It doesn't matter. It's just a name. A brand. A label. Every vessel is filled with the same product which is manufactured by a single private corporation, UniParty! S.T.F.U.and M.Y.O.B. Peggy Noonan, I'm buying the MAGA!!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: 24tea@Mag 6/7/2023 12:57:40 AM (No. 1486451)
Sorry Peggy, Trump years were the most successful years ever that I can remember, with the exception of millions spent on corruption hearings and press releases against him, when the corruption was within the FBI, DOJ, and outside forces who didn’t agree with his policies.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: DogFacedPonySoldier 6/7/2023 5:45:30 AM (No. 1486511)
Trump will need to purge the military generals and the State Department warmongers who profit from war .
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Adam 6/7/2023 6:24:58 AM (No. 1486528)
I don’t agree that Noonan laments the death of the GOP establishment. She laments the death of Reaganism. Trump is indeed anathema to the Republican establishment. That is ok with her. It’s that Reaganism is dead that bothers her. Where she goes wrong is in blaming MAGA for the death of Reaganism. Reaganism was already dead before Trump came down the escalator.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Captleemo 6/7/2023 7:25:25 AM (No. 1486558)
I think the republican party is brining about their own demise by backstabbing Trump every chance they get.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: msjena 6/7/2023 7:48:31 AM (No. 1486575)
Didn't people say the same thing about her hero, Ronald Reagan?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Rinktum 6/7/2023 8:12:37 AM (No. 1486597)
Excellent comments all. It feels like we are attending the most significant deathbed ritual in history which is the imminent death of our beloved country. It is painful to experience and the odds of a miraculous recovery is slim to none. What most of us who understand exactly what is happening, there is a deep abiding will to not give up. I cannot stand the thought of these woke, lawless, depraved, anti-American zealots could possibly bring this country to its knees by underhanded means. That is an anathema to me. It is not going to be determined by ideological differences. It will be determined by an evil cabal in both parties who will do or say anything to win, retain power and protect the status quo. We have one choice; unite behind President Trump and fight like the devil or choose someone who will just manage our demise, which I call the Hospice option. It’s going to be an easier death but the result is still the same, the USA dies. I choose to fight with Trump. It’s the honorable thing to do. The patriotic thing to do. He understands the fight and is the outsider. Everyone else is beholden. Trump is beholden to one thing, his base whose only desire is to make American great again. Which side do you believe the Founders would be on? They would relate to his unyielding desire to restore what they fought and died to create. Miss Peggy, and her fellow travelers can clutch their pearls, we have a war to fight.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: RayLRiv 6/7/2023 9:40:18 AM (No. 1486662)
Burn it to the ground, President Trump. Burn it to the ground and rebuild. MAGA!
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Reply 16 - Posted by: HRJUNIOR 6/7/2023 9:43:59 AM (No. 1486667)
#4, GOD will fix the people doing wrong and they will not like His fix!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 6/7/2023 10:35:12 AM (No. 1486711)
While I agree with Strader's point that a lot of dead wood needs to be culled from the republican party, he stops short of stating who needs to be purged first. I would start with Turtle, Pierre Delecto, Christie, and the Pencester, but the list is long. Quite obvious that Noonan fails to understand what is the problem here.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Zigrid 6/7/2023 10:59:22 AM (No. 1486735)
The rino crowd in Washington are as frightened as the democrats that President Trump will win in 2024....I remember how they sabotaged Sarah Palin...and set her up with the swamp to be put on the altar to be sacrificed...she and her children...wasn't it Katie corac...or someone like that...who attacked Sarah for what magazines she read....and picking on her downs child..Trig... showed their true colors...
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Reply 19 - Posted by: NOTHING_NEW 6/7/2023 11:28:13 AM (No. 1486774)
Every institution is corruptible and given sufficient time becomes corrupt, ie, divorced from the values upon which is was founded; whether it is the Papacy (or any other religious org) or the political parties, or the federal agencies running our country. Elites work subrosa to gain control of institutions and then pervert them from the original goals and objectives.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: joew9 6/7/2023 12:25:49 PM (No. 1486809)
I have thought from the beginning that their problem with Trump was he was not going to play ball with them. And he wasn't going to continue to move factories out of the country and import technology workers to replace expensive US workers. He couldn't be bribed because he was already rich AND he was not rich from the games they were playing. For the politicians that said they wanted to bring factories back the rich guys knew they weren't serious and if for a moment they were then all they had to do was slip them some more money. But Trump was almost exclusively the only one that couldn't be bribed. Noonan hangs around the politicians and rich guys that feed her the lines about how much we need to move the jobs out of the country and import the H1Bs. And she buys it all.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Christopher L 6/7/2023 1:41:33 PM (No. 1486868)
If people are interested they may want to read Peggy Noonan's column. https://archive.is/p9tp0 I can't believe that at one time she was a big Ronald Reagan supporter. In her column she extols that blob of deep state corpulence, Chris Christy, as the savior of the republican party.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Kafka2 6/7/2023 2:05:15 PM (No. 1486887)
It sounds to me like Joe Strader is hoping for a circular firing squad to occur within the Republican party. If that happens, it will leave a vacuum that the Democrat woke progressives would fill. After losing Trump has been a destructive force. His meddling in the runoff races for Georgia’s two US Senators resulted in both Democrats being elected. (The one race was iffy, but the other race would have gone to the Republican if he ha stayed out of it.) In Pennsylvania he managed to get a brain damaged Democrat elected. He also has hinted that if he doesn’t get the nomination, he would run as a third party candidate. Remember Ross Perot? He got 20% of the votes in the general election that would have gone to Bush 1, giving us Bill Clinton. And, he attacks every Republican contender with slander and lies.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: ToryWhite 6/7/2023 4:27:43 PM (No. 1486978)
Mr. Strader has written a good piece. One correction, though: Peggy Noonan writes articles, or columns, for the WSF, not editorials. But, he is close, Noonan has become an anit-Trump mouthpiece on behalf of the WSJ, which paper wants its obvious and longterm animus for the brash New Yorker Donald Trump to be hidden from view. Unfortunately, both both Noonan and the WSJ, the little Noonan ploy which is keeping her employed, is obvious (as is the general reporting from WSJ on Trump) and veering towards the unethical. Journalism, it is not.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Gallo3 6/7/2023 4:53:22 PM (No. 1486993)
Just another Murdoch Marionette. Nothing more.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: janjan 6/7/2023 4:53:47 PM (No. 1486994)
Noonan is a has been who never got out of the NY cocktail party bubble post Reagan. She longs for the glory days when all Republican candidates were deep state clones and interchangeable. This is no longer her Party and she won’t get a seat at the table. Her and her kind had their chance and were failures.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: DanvilleBill 6/7/2023 5:22:05 PM (No. 1487011)
Thanks #25. Oh how I miss the good old days when Reagan was an interchangeable deep state clone and Trump was a Democrat.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: SouthernYankee 6/7/2023 8:31:49 PM (No. 1487110)
Peggy along with AB Stoddard, Christie, Pence, etc are all favorites in Georgetown and Martha’s Vineyard cocktail parties. They cannot conceive of anyone voting for Trump and they certainly do not know anyone who would. The endless swamp is slimy deep and very well off.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 6/7/2023 9:06:34 PM (No. 1487129)
Peggy, without a doubt, ranks as one of the most insufferable beings on the planet. I wish I could think of a fitting insult for this worthless piece of garbage.
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