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When Journalism started to die

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Posted By: abuela10, 12/14/2020 6:53:02 AM

Some conservatives may believe that the Fourth Estate lost its luster in the ‘90s and signed its integrity over to the Democrat Party, but the death throes came much earlier during the Vietnam War. (snip)Yet the truth is that we never lost a major battle in Vietnam, even Barack Obama admitted that fact. We lost the war over here, thanks to the fake news spread here by the most trusted man in America, Walter Cronkite.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 12/14/2020 6:58:47 AM (No. 631202)
Somewhere in the early Sixties, if not before.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: jinx 12/14/2020 7:30:03 AM (No. 631213)
Yes, they think we are dumb but they are making sure we are ignorant. They suppress the real news and make up the rest. They create celebrity hosts and they become the news that no one dares dispute. They have ruined our children's education by brainwashing them instead of teaching them. I am reading TRUMAN by David McCullough. Boy, have my eyes been opened about him. It's a big book but well worth your time. Get a used paperback. You will understand what went when he ran for office and it will help you understand what the Democrat Party is doing today. Nothing changes.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: F15 Gork 12/14/2020 7:53:57 AM (No. 631223)
All true my friends. I was driving an F4 during Tet - we had flights of four sometimes stacked 3 and 4 deep over Que Sahn alone waiting our turn to unload - more Air Power than you can imagine. The NVN Regulars and the VC got their rice bowls handed to them! LBJ was probably a Republican at heart - he snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jebediah 12/14/2020 8:36:05 AM (No. 631258)
Cronkite was biased as hell, but I also have to submit that Journalism died when John Kennedy was heavily protected not only re: this womanizing (often seducing innocents) but with his Dr., Feelgood pills! He may have been charming and photogenic and had a wonderful sense of humor (that Bobby lacked) but he also was weak and destructive, and the Press covered for it all.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/14/2020 8:47:58 AM (No. 631272)
Yes, and before. The 1960 election was stolen by the Democrats. Everything heard from the media in my lifetime has been a lie.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: John Moses Browning 12/14/2020 8:52:07 AM (No. 631282)
Thanks for your service #3.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: udanja99 12/14/2020 9:00:23 AM (No. 631300)
Thank you, #3. I was a teen during the Vietnam war and remember the anti-war movement, the protests, the draft dodgers heading to Canada. In later years I came to believe that the entire movement was not based on morality and the evils of war as the protesters claimed. It was based on cowardice. They were a bunch of spoiled baby-boomers who were only interested in protecting their own rear ends and cared not a whit about the Vietnamese people or the the morality of war. After we pulled out of Vietnam all of the protesters dropped all concerns for the Vietnamese people and went back to their self-absorbed lives because they had managed to save their own butts. That is exactly why Jon Voight became a conservative - he was disgusted by the fraud which had been inflicted on America by the protesters and the man who instigated it all and egged them on - Walter Cronkite. And Alicia, it’s great to read another excellent article from you! I know that you’re an Ldotter and I hope that your health issues are improving every day.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: JL80863 12/14/2020 9:14:45 AM (No. 631324)
The "forth estate" is the fifth column!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Maggie2u 12/14/2020 9:15:05 AM (No. 631325)
To this day, my 94yr old mother doesn't believe that Roosevelt used a wheelchair. Like Ms. Colon, the '92 election was the first time I could vote and I left the presidential slot vacant, couldn't bring myself to vote for a democrat either.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: RU4us 12/14/2020 9:47:39 AM (No. 631375)
Just as I thought "one got past" the ever vigilant Ms. Colon: "Usually the media has been content to fool us by simply omitting the truth about favored personalities", and she goes on the mention the compromised media during FDR and JFK. Not only were the facts relating to the entry into the Vietnam civil war and murder of President Diem, "omitted", we were also misled about JFK's intentions around the Bay of Pigs betrayal. These may not be as overtly dangerous as the postmortem treason of the press but, U.S. Citizens have borne the blame of being blood lustful, imperialists, when it was all the doing of the decadent, corrupt and greedy "favored personalities" and their enablers, the media that are truly to cause.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: GO3 12/14/2020 10:27:31 AM (No. 631408)
Actually, the streets emptied because Nixon canceled the draft, not because we left VN.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: MDConservative 12/14/2020 10:27:51 AM (No. 631409)
Journalism sold its soul with William Randoph Hearst, if not earlier. 'You furnish the pictures, I'll provide the war!" he said in 1898. His reporters filed stories from Cuba written to tug at the heartstrings of Americans...same formula still used today "for the children" or any other sad sack group. The result was war. Today the result is war, or government programs to "do something". Cronkite never sent troops into battle, never formatted strategy or led tactical operations. By the time Walter went to Vietnam and returned with his views the war was well in question. We won all the battles...why didn't the Commies quit? The Vietnamese today do not understand why Americans fought in their civil war between two sets of pirates. It was bad policy and American presidential/military hubris and a dash of American civic pride that created the Vietnam debacle...and 50,000 died, to what end?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Talk2 12/14/2020 10:54:24 AM (No. 631434)
Like so many I was in Vietnam for a year and when I came home I saw the lies being spread by the main stream media talking heads like Cronkite. I distinctly remember the night I sat home in front of my TV and screamed at the set when Cronkite was spreading false reports of an attack on "the hospital in the middle of Cam Ranh Bay" in that tone designed to convince watchers of the superiority of the "lowly Vietnamese farmers in black pajamas" carrying out the attack. Cronkite was lying through his teeth and he knew it. The huts attacked were on the edge of the base next to the South China Sea, and clearly identified by highly lighted huge medical red crosses on the roofs and sides. The buildings held convalescing wounded and were lightly defended by a few soldiers mostly just in country and assigned there to acclimate them to the sounds of war. Few expected the Viet Cong would attack those buildings full of wounded. They planned the attack and over a period of nights and planted explosives to breech the "fence" to gain entrance so they could massacre the wounded as the lay in their beds. They ran through the buildings throwing grenades, and spraying the wounded with AK-47s. The wounded fought back with what they had which wasn't much considering they had no weapons and were wounded. My wife had been subjected to that sort of reporting the whole time I was over there. She would send me clippings and I finally told her to not believe anything being reported since much of it was pure unadulterated bull. That was right after TET 68 and lies from the MSM abounded. It just got worse as time went by and our military personnel were subjected to harassment of the worst kind. So don't tell me about useful idiots in our MSM. I think Kipling's poem Tommy said it all. The last verse boils it down for Vietnam War Veterans - "For it's Tommy this and Tommy that, an' Chuck him out the brute! But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this and Tommy that, an' anything you please; An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin 'fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Clinger 12/14/2020 11:26:15 AM (No. 631471)
Here I was preparing my argument in my head fully expecting to disagree with the article but lo and behold I agree.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: nvr4get911 12/14/2020 12:43:34 PM (No. 631566)
And this is why I will never regard Jane Fonda as anything but a traitor
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Reply 16 - Posted by: udanja99 12/14/2020 1:49:31 PM (No. 631660)
Thanks, #11, for proving my point.
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