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A Plague of College Student Dishonesty

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Posted By: Judy W., 12/4/2023 8:52:39 AM

This is not a good time for American higher education, but as bad as this may seem, matters are even worse. The students themselves are part of the problem when they seek admission to top schools with tactics that are at best questionable and at worst dishonest. Dishonesty is rampant. Students will even misrepresent their race or ethnicity. This is hardly a surprise in today’s academic world that prizes diversity, and admissions officers willingly lower standards to achieve it. According to one study, some 34% of white students admitted lying about their ethnic identify for purposes of admission or financial aid, with “Native American”

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The article points out that (fortunately) many companies are dropping the requirement for a college degree for entry-level positions. This would be a huge blessing, as men are more likely to lack college degrees, many not from lack of ability but because colleges are too feminized and ridiculous for them to slog through it. On-the-job training is all that is needed for many jobs, and just from that empoyers can often see employees' abilities or lack thereof.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: TexaTucky 12/4/2023 9:09:17 AM (No. 1610230)
It seems like another century (oh yeah, it was), but I remember having to sign our "blue books" at Vanderbilt that were used for tests or quizzes or essays, and at the bottom was written the Honor Code Pledge: "I pledge on my honor that have neither given nor received unauthorized aid on this examination.” How quaint honor must seem today on college campuses.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: red1066 12/4/2023 9:12:28 AM (No. 1610240)
Remember a few years ago a few Hollywood actors had to go to court and pay fines because they helped their children get into Ivy League schools by lying on their applications. At the time, I thought that was ridiculous. It seemed every name Hollywood offspring was going to an Ivy League school, and one knew that not every name offspring was all that intelligent. The average person just knew money talked and BS walked. Add in high school guidance counselors giving students hints about how to get their applications noticed, and parents and kids wanting to say, (My son or daughter goes to such and such college) and it's no wonder these stats are so high. Did we really expect anything different?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: BeatleJeff 12/4/2023 9:38:58 AM (No. 1610263)
The heirs of Fauxcahontas.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Newtsche 12/4/2023 9:53:33 AM (No. 1610277)
So many bad actors - the media, education, politicians - would claim to be honest, all others disinformation mongers. So it would seem honesty is an actual thing in theory. We can dream.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: wilarrbie 12/4/2023 9:55:19 AM (No. 1610281)
Future leadership of our nation and the world.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Venturer 12/4/2023 10:23:08 AM (No. 1610315)
Stop giving preferential aid and lowering test scores for one class and the other class will not have to cheat to try to get the same aid.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: DVC 12/4/2023 11:23:21 AM (No. 1610346)
Actually, I think ALL Caucasian Americans should just routinely claim "Native American" on all forms. Bollix up their entire cheating system.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Digger 12/4/2023 11:52:58 AM (No. 1610360)
Perhaps a little off subject but nevertheless- Long ago I worked hard and sacrificed to get a PhD in engineering so I could teach at a good college. Along the way, I took a job in industry which I really enjoyed and did not chase an academic career. After I retired, a friend asked me to teach a senior/graduate level course in my specialty as an adjunct instructor. I taught for two years and quit because of student attitudes and expectations: 1) Grade inflation. They all wanted A’s for just showing up 2) Lazy students. They were keeping book on my assigned homework problems and exams. They were learning nothing except how to copy. 3) Dishonest students. Some cheated on exams. I told the class that I would treat them as professionals and I expected them to act as professionals. When I discovered the cheating, I failed three of them - end of graduate school for them. My department head supported my decision. I spent several more years teaching continuing ed courses to graduate and industry employed engineers who wanted to learn. That was very satisfying.. College education is in a shambles today. I see no hope for recovery.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Strike3 12/4/2023 1:04:39 PM (No. 1610406)
Stop giving credits and points for skin pigmentation and students won't feel the need to lie. You can't blame them for feeling cheated for stupid reasons. The unfair advantage awarded in education then turns into another unfair advantage in employment.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: snowoutlaw 12/4/2023 3:48:45 PM (No. 1610505)
Is it cheating when the game is already fixed?
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