Opinion | A Surprising Share of Americans
Wants to Break Up the Country. Here’s
Why They’re Wrong.
Politico,
by
Rich Lowry
Original Article
Posted By: bad-hair,
10/7/2021 6:20:53 PM
Divorce usually isn’t a good idea, and that’s especially true of a nearly 250-year-old continental nation.
The notion of a national breakup has long simmered as a fringe argument, but it is increasingly popular in certain precincts of the political right and has gained at least some traction with partisans of both sides. A recent survey by the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia found that about 50 percent of Donald Trump voters and 40 percent of Joe Biden voters agreed to some extent with the proposition that the country should split up, with either red or blue states seceding.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
LeftCoast 10/7/2021 6:31:07 PM (No. 938320)
Rather than breakup this great nation, just enforce the laws. That will fix the majority of our ills perpetrated by the left.
72 people like this.
Reply 2 - Posted by:
MrDeplorable 10/7/2021 6:35:08 PM (No. 938321)
Thanks, Mr Lowry, your article was an intellectual chiropractic adjustment that brought my heart back into realignment with my head. I feel better now.
6 people like this.
Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 10/7/2021 6:57:39 PM (No. 938332)
Lowry is a fake "conservative", an anti-Trump puke that I won't even bother reading.
Note that he's not even writing in his normal NR (he and his ilk have driven off huge swaths of readership) platform, on the execrable Politico, almost never worth bothering with, anyway.
Not yet certain that our only good choice is partition, but it is looking more workable than the hideous mess we already have ever day.
61 people like this.
Reply 4 - Posted by:
samoasam 10/7/2021 7:02:05 PM (No. 938333)
Break it up or live with a bunch of idiot Marxists. If you can’t figure that out by now, you are helplessly stupid. And we can’t fix that. Jettison this garbage now !!!
40 people like this.
F Rick Lowry.
36 people like this.
Rich... YOU are the one that's wrong... or don't you watch the news.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
bad-hair 10/7/2021 7:40:54 PM (No. 938363)
God Bless the USA but there's nothing in the constitution that say how many states.
27 people like this.
Reply 8 - Posted by:
Zeek Wolfe 10/7/2021 8:00:29 PM (No. 938390)
The KGB has been predicting a break-up of the United States since the 80s and possibly arlier than that. There are about one thousand people of influence in America that if neutralized in some way would set the country back on the right track. Evil chaos and ugly contentious government has been the norm since the rise of Nancy Pelosi. Barak Obama came into the presidency with hate in his heart and a desire to fundamentally change society...for the worse. There are truly evil, marxist-communists people now in high office that have long admired the now late Soviet Union and want gulags for dissenters. After Pelosi and Obama, neutralize the remaining 998 and America would once again be rainbows and puppies on the road to Emerald city.
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What to do when half of the country identifies with the values of the French Revolution, and the other half with the American Revolution?
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
LadyHen 10/7/2021 8:24:26 PM (No. 938421)
Lowry can go pound sand, the worm!
Considering Texans owe a huge debt of gratitude to Tennessee (look it up), I would feel quite slighted not being included in the party. Remember where you came from! You would be hard pressed to find a more red state than Tennessee. Plus, we make fine whiskey.
36 people like this.
Reply 11 - Posted by:
rochow 10/7/2021 8:26:46 PM (No. 938424)
The left usually wants to take what the right has earned. How are they going to find money to spend on all their crazy projects? After all, they hands are always parked in Republican pockets.
21 people like this.
Reply 12 - Posted by:
Connor 10/7/2021 8:28:02 PM (No. 938425)
You cannot trust this guy, he is a rabid never trumper
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
chumley 10/7/2021 8:45:15 PM (No. 938437)
I would be saddened to see it break apart, but really it has been for years. Several states have not been part of America since they adopted and keep reelecting communists. The federal government no longer exists to protect the rights of its citizens. Rather, it exists to eradicate them.
I'd like to be in the free America the founders intended please. The three legitimate Biden voters can have the rest.
35 people like this.
Reply 14 - Posted by:
JHHolliday 10/7/2021 9:17:35 PM (No. 938457)
Perhaps we could just eject the West Coast and most of New England and let them form two communist countries. They will thrive selling maple syrup plus they grow all those vegetables in CA. The can sell avocados, quinoa and kale to each other. What could go wrong? Of course the South tried to secede in 1861. All they wanted was to be left alone but the North would have lost their “agricultural colony” and the warm water ports which meant the North couldn’t import or export anything in the winter. This prompted Lincoln to invade the South and start a bloody, illegal war that killed 600,000 soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians.
18 people like this.
Reply 15 - Posted by:
RussZilla 10/7/2021 9:44:13 PM (No. 938481)
The headline and the first two sentences were so wimpy that I stopped reading the article. Lowry should taking up coding, or else get his flabby journalism in better shape.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Kate318 10/7/2021 10:10:58 PM (No. 938504)
Free States of America. Let’s roll.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
stablemoney 10/7/2021 10:22:19 PM (No. 938511)
There is no living with left wing tyranny. They take over and ruin everything. The only way is to split up. It is going to get a lot worse. We are have another 7.5 years of Biden. The elections are arranged, so forget about that hope. Ben Franklin: "he that lives on hope will die fasting". A lot could be learned from Ben Franklin about these debts---but nobody listens.
14 people like this.
Reply 18 - Posted by:
bobn.t 10/7/2021 11:49:10 PM (No. 938582)
Just excommunicate California and New York.
9 people like this.
Reply 19 - Posted by:
beancounter 10/8/2021 12:02:13 AM (No. 938587)
Eastern California is very red. Plus it controls the agriculture and water in California. Let eastern California and northern Nevada join the free states.
12 people like this.
Reply 20 - Posted by:
anniebc 10/8/2021 2:59:44 AM (No. 938658)
Shut up, Rich!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Otis Gill 10/8/2021 7:03:31 AM (No. 938756)
Lowry states the country is "divided," but ignores the fact that the diabolical Marxists are the ones who are working hard every day at doing the dividing, with their racism under every rock and class warfare narratives. As Donald Trump stated, "The media is truly the enemy of the people."
Of course, a limp-wristed phony moderate like Lowry will not hold the Left accountable. Never trust a never-Trumper.
21 people like this.
Reply 22 - Posted by:
Turninggrey 10/8/2021 8:05:14 AM (No. 938808)
The map of states fighting a vax mandate would be a good start, then add some of the conservative states that are not on the map because of a sole Democrat governor. Then annex the conservative counties within the communist states. Then build a massive wall around those borders, throw out illegal invaders, and give the communists that remain a choice of where they want to move and pay them for their property and travel expenses. Then enforce the constitution. Oh, you can put Mitch McConnell on the priority list for moving.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
LLAMA 10/8/2021 8:10:00 AM (No. 938813)
Follow the Constitution, particularly the 10th amendment. The US is essentially a coalition of sovereign states, designed by the genius of the Founding Fathers, who knew even then that a nation as large and rich as ours could not become monolithic enough to survive. And there is nothing much that residents of the "flyover states" have in common with northeasterners and west coastal elites in this country anymore than we have in common with most foreign nations. The founding fathers had it right in adopting a Constitution that essentially bound a group of sovereign states together, but severely limited powers of the Federal Government.
And by the way, I agree that Lowry is one of the "other guys", who is definitely aligned with the coastal elites
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
udanja99 10/8/2021 8:15:48 AM (No. 938818)
OP, you have posted that idea before and every time you do, I make the same response. Please don’t leave South Carolina off the list. Charleston is a major port on the Atlantic.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Chabis 10/8/2021 8:23:49 AM (No. 938827)
Lowry makes sense from Lowry's POV. The what we called "The United States of America" -- that "Constitutional Republic" -- still existed.
Does it?
I'd say "in name only." Washington DC players have their own laws -- and few they make for us actually apply to them. Theirs is not a government "Of, by and for the people." It exists for their gain (and in their opinion, so do 'We the People").
I've come to the above conclusion slowly and painfully. That as a man We the People elected -- President Trump (who I did not initially support) -- shwed the difference. Power was returned to those to whom it, under our constitution, belonged. And with it freedom and peace and prosperity.
He was block by those (supposedly our representatives -- and these of both parties!) every time he took a stand on OUR behalf that challenged the schemes and totally selfish desires of the DC establishment.
So that "USA" is gone.
Forever? One could hope not, but I see little reason to believe that. Not now with the courts and so-called "Department of Justice" (Hah!) and even now it seems the military under their sway.
Nome of us wished for this.
Many prefer to deny it.
I no longer can -- or for that matter, even any longer pretend.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Sanchin 10/8/2021 8:40:48 AM (No. 938836)
Given Lowry's political orientation (National Revue) this article is simply a plea to keep the system, a system that benefits those in the swamp/deep state/elite, in place. The arguments offered against dissolution are weak and offer no solution to the incurable disease that afflicts this country. Binding the "citizens" of this land under the rule and subjugation of what the Federal Government has morphed into is for all intense purposes forced indentured servitude, which is taking away more of our rights and freedom every day. Regardless of the next steps chosen, the "United States" has forever changed from what it was and strived to be since its founding and it will never be that again.
12 people like this.
Reply 27 - Posted by:
4Justice 10/8/2021 8:50:58 AM (No. 938847)
Heck no to division. United we stand, divided we fall. There is no way chopping us up.would be good in any way, shape or form. It wouldn't fix anything anyway. Every state has people of many different ideologies. The political scene is not real. Even California is not as deep blue as people think. It is just that the system was one of the first to be rigged...just like our 2020 election was.
7 people like this.
Reply 28 - Posted by:
Geoman 10/8/2021 9:08:11 AM (No. 938872)
I believe too many Texans have fought for this country for us to draw back across the Red River to hunker down as a way to avoid the unpleasant fight that's brewing. Do nothing, we lose the country but a national divorce is a cowardly way to try to avoid fighting for our birthright freedoms that were won in blood and in danger of being lost in complacency.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 10/8/2021 9:21:29 AM (No. 938888)
All I know is an America under a one-party system like it is today is very bad. For all of us. Show me a place in the world where it is good. There isn't. Somehow, America, as founded, must be restored.
Just return America to the things that made it the greatest nation on this earth. Another commenter suggests that we for starters, start enforcing our laws again, equally, for rich and the poor.
The new world order and the Great Reset crowds can just jam it sideways as far as I am concerned.
To split up America? A last resort perhaps. And how are we going to keep the resulting red republics from going lefty eventually, anyway? Lots of unintended consequences to splitting up. We must think it through and understand what are these unintended consequences.
Except for taking our kids out of the public schools in search of better educational opportunity and mad as hell parents getting in the faces of some school boards, there is a lot more we need to do to fix the mess we are in. The dims' and deep state's 100-year march to socialism and corruption is why we are here. It will take that long to get back out. But, the door is closing. It's now or never.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
RayLRiv 10/8/2021 9:24:12 AM (No. 938892)
There's got to be a way to provide individual conservative states with more freedom, self-accountability and self-fiscal responsibility while retaining only the most tenuous of Federal bonds with Socialist states.
5 people like this.
Reply 31 - Posted by:
dman 10/8/2021 9:26:56 AM (No. 938897)
Federalism, as the Framers intended it, solves the problem. 50 sovereign states have no need for a national divorce. The problem is the courts, not the Constitution. Time to reverse Marbury v Madison. If it takes a Constitutional amendment to do it, so be it.
We need a Convention of States anyway to consider other issues, like a balanced budget amendment, abolishing the Fed, return to the gold standard, gutting the "deep state", and a host of other issues.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
4Justice 10/8/2021 9:42:19 AM (No. 938912)
As said before, we need to make sure we ENFORCE the laws, ensure all laws are applied EQUALLY and fairly, and we must root out all the corrupt traitors. After that, we must make sure the corruption can no longer thrive. That is make EVERY agency 100% accountable and with citizen oversight, cut all ties between big businesses and government, make all politicians' income transparent, get rid of big lobbying and influence, get money out of the equation, and bring integrity back to our elections.
If you break up any of the country, you will be destroying the last hope of freedom for the world and we will become easy pickings for China to sweep down and take over. They would love it if we broke up. So would the tyrants who would have control of our coasts. The freedom-lovers would be cut off from all trade. I could go on and on but the point is that such thinking is just a short-sighted and emotional response to our current problems. To be honest, it is just plain stupid and ignorant to think we could survive a break up and fare better than we are now. The only reason we are in this predicament is because WE THE PEOPLE got spoiled, lazy and complacent. Those that did care and wanted to act we either frightened little sheep or thought someone else could fix things. No, WE are responsible for not standing up sooner. We are barely starting to wake up and stand up. If we stopped complaining and actually DID SOMETHING, we could fix this mess, get the truth out and restore the sanity to our country. One man cannot do it alone. All of us must act but do NOT wait for others to start. Each of us must make a first move. Yes, courage is contagious, and others will follow, but there is no time to wait for them. There are MORE of us than there are of them. So, what is your excuse?? Why aren't you doing something...anything besides whining about "them"? Stand up!! DEMAND justice! Demand a 50 state audit of the 2020 election! Demand criminal investigations and prosecution of all traitors who participated in fraud. Demand the DOJ and all alphabet agencies clean house! Demand political accountability!! DO NOT LET UP NO MATTER WHAT!! There is so much to do and I ask, what are you doing?? You personally don't have to do a lot yourself... that is why our numbers are so great and will make us win. But you HAVE to do something. We ALL do. So, what are you doing?? Can you write a blog? Can you get people together? Can you influence or motivate others? Can you write a letter or make a phone call? Can you go to various sites and make clear and concise statements of truth without resorting to arguing or name-calling? Any of these, and more, would be a good start. So, what are you going to do? Take the lazy routes and watch the continual decline and destruction of your nation and society as the determined and relentless tyrants steal your freedom, your lives and everything you and your predecessors worked and sacrificed for?? Or will you be a RED-BLOODED American and fight like a scrapper for what is rightly yours, like our Founders did? I'm waiting to see who still wants to sell out...or not.
NO FEAR...NO SURRENDER!!
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
starboard 10/8/2021 10:04:26 AM (No. 938941)
After the next year or two, the ignorant Progressive/Marxists will change their tune. I believe we are in a process of a critical cultural and fiscal correction. What will come to pass will be what is necessary to remain the proud United States of America. I believe the people of this country will not allow sit on the sidelines and watch our country be destroyed. We are not a nation of cowards and losers. Look what young Mothers are doing to the schoolboards. Our children are worth everything. We need to kick --- and take names.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Zigrid 10/8/2021 10:38:16 AM (No. 938989)
It's tempting to get rid of all the useless blue states like California and Illinois and New York...but this great country never rolled over and played dead when confronted with a challenge...WE just dig in and solve the problem...like chuckie schumer and nervous nancy...and of course bite/em in the fake White House...BTW...I finally came up with a name for biden...remember the dumb/cackling Mr, Magoo cartoon character?...it's biden...anyone else wonder why the staff moved Mr. Magoo to the garage and set him in front of a replica backdrop of the White House windows...what are they hiding....
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
Italiano 10/8/2021 10:42:10 AM (No. 938996)
Rich is full of it. The 1970's were nothing like this.
I'm against it, though. Here in California, we'd be forced to expend too much of our ammo to survive and live freely, and ammo is expensive.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
uforabin 10/8/2021 11:05:28 AM (No. 939029)
The author states that those wanting a national divorce would burn down America to save America. I think he shows cowardice in an attempt to appear politically neutral by not pointing out that the people who want to destroy this country in order to rebuild it in their image of Utopia are the social democrats running America today and their far leftist supporters.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
Laotzu 10/8/2021 12:29:32 PM (No. 939120)
It will now work.
California now "boycotts" 18 other states.
The Left never settles for peaceful coexistence. Splitting the Country in two will not slow the Left one bit in coming after you. On the contrary, at the point we split into two countries, the UN becomes available as another tool for the Left to use against Normals.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 10/8/2021 12:49:28 PM (No. 939143)
Divorce can be the last resort to an abusive marriage where one partner continually abuses the other. Abusive Marriage Behavior like controlling your thoughts, your movements, your friends, where you go, who you speak to, the money you have or don't have. In abusive marriages where one partner lords it over the other and there's no freedom, there is no recourse but division. And that's how we are feeling with this tyrannical Biden/Obama regime where we are their enemy to be put down. Look at Australia to see our future with these Commies, where citizens are beaten down to the sidewalk because they didn't have a mask on outside, even though only one or two have died of Covid in Eastern Australia. They are worse Communists than China where Chinese are allowed outside. May God have mercy.
4 people like this.
Reply 39 - Posted by:
KatieJo 10/8/2021 12:50:45 PM (No. 939145)
They don't want to live with us Rich, they want to kill us. There is no middle ground in that for me.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
Quigley 10/8/2021 1:10:14 PM (No. 939165)
One problem with breaking it up is that the left will just start infiltrating the new country and pulling the same tricks.
The left is a disease that wants to take over the healthy body. Social distancing will not be sufficient.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
49 Ford 10/8/2021 1:20:02 PM (No. 939172)
Rich Lowry is not the issue. The issue is the political and practical possibilities, and they do not exist.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
earlybird 10/8/2021 2:17:34 PM (No. 939230)
The drivebys do this all the time. You could go back 20 years on this forum and find the same stuff. I can go back further and recall my parents talking about two things on December 7, 1941: The Japanese had done a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor and there was talk of California dividing in two.
Personal history recollections tend to give perspective...
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Ever since the plan became minority rule (which is getting a strong assist by corrupt judges), it seems the only solution. When one finally leaves an abusive household, liberty means everything.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
OK state mom 10/8/2021 2:49:25 PM (No. 939251)
I live in Oklahoma - 17 miles from Texas. Let's Roll!!!!!!
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 10/8/2021 7:38:58 PM (No. 939451)
While we are smoking Politico dope, I will make a deal with Lowry; just find an ice floe somewhere in Alaska, take you and all the prune faced liberals, out-of-date Democrats, has-been politicians and all the food and booze it would take for a 6 month party. I'll just sit here on my pile of canned food and bottled water and wait for nature to take its course. No report needed. Ever.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
MickTurn 10/8/2021 7:39:07 PM (No. 939452)
I vote we declare all Leftists/Communists Persona Non Grata and deport all of them to the COMMUNIST country of their choosing and they can NEVER RETURN!
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