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Posted By: Harlowe, 4/8/2025 2:54:24 PM

Aside from the rhetoric, there is a growing consensus among Western diplomats, military analysts, military officers, heads of state, and even much of the media about how to end the endless Ukrainian war. A proposed peace will see a DMZ established somewhere along an adjusted 1,200-mile Ukraine-Russia border. [Snip] If and when peace comes, we can already foresee the misinformation that will follow: Trump deserves no credit. Zelenskyy remains the true hero. A now hollowed-out Russia was the real winner. The only mystery? Since when did the anti-war left prefer an endless and horrific war to a difficult, messy peace?

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Reply 1 - Posted by: DVC 4/8/2025 4:39:10 PM (No. 1929267)
Ultimately, Putin is the winner. He doesn't give one damn about a million Russians killed and wounded. He wants to be "the Man Who Rebuilt the Soviet Union". And this is about step 5. First, half of Georgia, then the Crimean Peninsula, then pretty much controlling Belarus, then infiltration and control of the Donbas via war 2014-2022....a continuation of Stalin's replacement of the Ukrainian kulaks (after murdering them) with Russian serfs, and then taking bigger bites of Ukraine in this "special military operation". Any way you measure it, Putin gets more land to control, which is what he wanted. And he'll rebuild, rearm and him or his successor megalomaniac will move again to grab territory by force.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Ashley Brenton 4/8/2025 5:48:18 PM (No. 1929295)
First off, anytime America can spend 4% of its defense budget to accomplish pulling down the bully's pants in the school cafeteria, as it has just done with Russia, that is the best money we've ever spent. And it has the added benefit of making Russian military tech look unattractive in the global market. Russia is no longer and never will be again the 2nd best army in the world. Secondly, the Democrats have never been anti-war. Until Trump, no matter which President got elected, PEACE was not on the menu. America was never given the option of voting for a non-interventionist President. Both establishments worked very hard to rig everything so that wouldn't happen. And half the GOP went anti-Ukraine simply because the Democrats went all in for them. Exactly like what they Democrats did with Vietnam once they painted it as "Nixon's War" (which it wasn't).
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 4/8/2025 7:29:45 PM (No. 1929341)
Vic, we'll know.
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