Tesla won over fans of electric vehicles.
Now Elon Musk and company have a bigger
challenge: convincing everyday car buyers

We finished a week long visit to PA yesterday. 450 miles plus each way. Snow in WV on the way back. I cannot imagine making the trip in an EV (which I could not afford anyway). But the word is on the street - the elites don't really want us to have the freedom to travel.

It seems that most people who want EVs already have them. Most Americans have no use for them, and will not buy them, ever, no matter what inducements the government throws their way. In a hurricane evacuation zone, they are absolutely worthless, essentially combustible rocks with wheels. The government needs to wake up or be replaced in toto. Yes, #1 is correct. The purpose of electric transportation is to immobilize us, freeze us in place in 15 Minute cities with only government transportation.

I'd far rather have a Natural Gas vehicle; it's the cleanest burning fuel, which emerges straight from the ground with minimal processing, and this nation has copious amounts of the stuff.

The real challenge they have is convincing the laws of physics to change. Ain't happening!

Golf carts. They're really expensive golf carts. I don't play golf.

If they are the best thing since sliced bread then they shouldn't have to work so hard trying to sell them to us. Keep in mind Biden is fully on board with these so that should tell you all you need to know.

I think it's Generational. The Young, working Generation are getting married, buying a house and maybe having Children. They can't afford a Tesla and also don't have the patience to sit at a charging spot to get the energy to run one! The Middle age Generation already have a Car they love and trust, so they're not going to change Brands to Tesla. The Oldest Generation, which includes me, keep their cars for years and will probably buy the same Brand they always have (which we recently did). We just bought a new car after keeping our last one for 12 years. It's still like new, but has 100,000 miles on it. Because we're over 80 we decided we didn't want to chance any problems on the Road, so it was time to buy new. No, we didn't even think about a Tesla because Our Generation is too smart to do such a dumb thing!

Tesla owns the EV fan market. The rest of the market wants ICE vehicles and Tesla does not offer any. The traditional auto manufacturers are beginning to realize what a mess they have put their companies in by yielding to pressure from the government to make an ill-advised transition to lithium battery powered EV automobiles. Fortunately, you will still be able to buy an ICE vehicle from Toyota or Mazda and maybe a few others. Ford and GM probably think they will get a new government subsidy to stay in business.

Most people just want reliable transportation that is reasonably comfortable. They are not interested in an expensive vehicle that has a questionable future.

In China, the electric BYDs are rusting in the fields, unsold.

Make my range 500 miles with a 15 minute recharge and rest stop and I will then and only then consider it.

I looked up the charging requirements for those things. For a charger you can plug into the wall, it only gets you six miles for every hour of charging. Then you have to pay for the electricity. For faster chargers, the house has to be rewired and the cost increases geometrically. Then you get to pay for another car to replace the batteries, assuming they dont ignite first. No thanks. I've never been one to be stylish, and this sure isn't the time to start.

How about an EV that costs less than $20K, carries 4 passengers and a large trunk, a high efficiency solar panel on roof, hood, trunk, Guarantee for 10 years on all components, especially ALL electric/electronic components, and a 500 mile range with 10 minute FULL recharges, THEN we can talk!

Obama used Teslas as a metaphore for white people in his latest Netflix movie. He crashed hundreds of the self-driving cars for a scene showing how "independence" of white people impedes the paths of POC. I just hope Netflix paid for each of those ruined Teslas. And I wondered why not one of them caught fire.

Hmmmm, never be one in my garage....

Not a chance.

Re #3, NG vehicles work very well, with the insoluable problem of storage. Being a gas, it is low density, so that means to get a certain number of pounds of methane (nat gas is mostly methane) you need MANY more cubic feet than liquid fuels, even when highly compressed. And that compression makes the tanks heavier, more costly....and prevents convenient shapes. Honda made a decent example for a few years, a Civic variant and used up about half of the trunk with the tank. So, the trunk are lost about half volume, not good, but not totally unworkable. But even with this serious reduction of an already small trunk.....the nat gas tank held the equivalent of 8 gallons of fuel. That eight gallons of fuel would fit in a 12"x12"x12" cube. Or better packaged, a 6" x12" x24" tank, which is probably 1/10th the volume used by the nat gas tank. And the tank probably cost a 10 times as much, too, due to design and thickness to withstand high pressure, where a fuel tank can be plastic, light, cheap and durable. Nat gas is more workable in larger vehicles where multiple long, relatively skinny high pressure tanks can be fitted underneath. I think that most or all UPS trucks have run on nat gas for years. And fleet use, for local delivery is ideal since they can refuel at the company refueling station and don't have to depend on the non-existent public infrastructure. Filling the tank is more dangerous and technical, needing to connect some sort of high pressure gas-tight connections, and such. Spills are more easily ignited than gasoline, so sparks are very dangerous. Not workable for an ordinary vehicle due to tank size and volume, plus cost and a total lack of infrastructure to support travel. Sorta workable.....way better than electric, but still, no cigar.

China is the world leader in EVs....... her's the inside story from an Aussy who lives in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8 He also has great videos about touring through their Ghost Cities. Amazing videos.

They will never convince me, even if I'm forced to drive one some day. How much does it cost to charge one of these things anyway?

Teslas are pretty -- for glorified golf carts!!!!! But give me a nice 8 cylinder pickup truck, and I'm good to go.

The only people I have met that have them are happy with them. However, they rarely travel more than 100 miles to go anywhere. That makes sense. For those of us that do go places on a regular basis they are impractical and potentially dangerous. Running out of juice when every damn charger in the area is down leaves people very vulnerable.