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A War Designed To Be Perpetually Inconclusive
Is Not Always Moral

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Posted By: Hazymac, 11/1/2023 11:51:25 AM

One of the most poorly informed debates in the media coverage of war is the concept of "proportionality." The average person understands it as a kind of transaction. If X kills N citizens of Y, then Y can fairly retaliate by killing N*(1+i) citizens of X, i being a penalty. But what it really means according to the Red Cross is it prohibits attacks against military objectives which are “expected to cause incidental loss of ... civilian objects ... which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.” It might be restated this way: disproportionate acts are operations of war that are not worth it.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: formerNYer 11/1/2023 12:15:36 PM (No. 1589778)
The writer talks about a 'just' war. I'm not sure any war can be considered 'just' it's killing humans. Sometime wars are needed or can't be avoided, it still doesn't make them 'just.' War is horrible and should be avoided. Hamas didn't start a war, the cowards targeted unarmed civilians, their complete destruction is 'just' but more necessary needed so they can't do it again.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: czechlist 11/1/2023 12:15:54 PM (No. 1589779)
the winner's history writers usually diagnose the cause and justify the proportionality and morallity of a conflict
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Reply 3 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 11/1/2023 12:19:54 PM (No. 1589782)
The Israeli cease fire will begin when there are no more Hamas to be killed. No joke.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: mifla 11/1/2023 12:21:06 PM (No. 1589783)
Wars are horrible and should be a last resort. That being said, the quickest route to end a war is to unleash hell on your opponent. Anything else just prolongs the war. The Vietnam war lasted as long as it did because America did not want to take off the gloves and use the full extent of their military. When you go to war, leave the lawyers, the media, and the book of rules at home.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: planetgeo 11/1/2023 1:17:11 PM (No. 1589796)
Yes, but mandated and perpetually inconclusive wars allow the arbiters to perpetually virtue signal to both sides.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: smokincol 11/1/2023 1:37:33 PM (No. 1589805)
it's a good thing we didn't have to fight World War II with this kind of logic - back then it was defeat of the enemy at whatever costs is essential to returning to the status quo, ie: piece and tranquility of the people of the United States of America - but we fail to remember that this part of the world has been at "war" since the time of the Annunaki in the area of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers so the possibility of a lasting peace anywhere in the region is a distinct impossibility
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