Uvalde -- the new face of policing

One thing I have noticed...why isn't the media calling this a hostage situation? If the police rushed the shooter, he could have shot all the children that were still alive. Or he could have used them as human shields. Also, the doors were locked so the police did not have clear access to the shooter. The police got keys from the school janitor. There were reports the shooter was still shooting after the police arrived. If he was shooting at children, the police would have to rush the shooter. If the shooter was shooting at the police, they would take cover. Just not ready to blame the police until the full story emerges.

Does the entire country have amnesia?! We had this same discussion after Sandy Hook, and it was decided that police in body armor should rush in to protect defenseless children from an active shooter. Common sense is not so common anymore.

Thank you, #1.

Not all police districts are equal. Some are good. Some are bad. Some are not political. Some are political. LEOs are the same. Some are good. Some are excellent. Some are bad. Who knows about the Uvalde PD and their LEOs? Wait until the investigation is done about the Uvalde PD. What can be done? All PD and LEO standards and policies need to be reviewed, checked and double checked, and always be maintained up to date. Same for the training of the LEOs. Federalization of PD - nope, too political. State level standards and policies at least. Community level best with State oversight. Meanwhile, what do the polticians want to do. Confiscate all firearms. Leave the citizens in danger and at the mercy of the quality of their local PD. This is a recipe for disaster.

The police didn’t need to go inside the building. The could have walked up to the building and done something through those big windows. Distracted the shooter. Thrown smoke bombs. Anything but standing outside with their stuff in their hand.

The officers on the scene did this same "stand by for someone else" drill at Columbine, and the children died, and the after action review said "Don't stand by, you must go in immediately". All the police agencies nationwide and their head bureaucrats said "Yep, yep, got it." And at Parkland school in Florida, the affirmative action female police leader on the scene ordered her men to "Stand by for someone else", so they did, while the School Resource Officer hid in a closet and he children died. And in the after action review said "Don't stand by, you must go in immediately". All the police agencies and their bureaucratic leaders said "Yep, yep, got it." And at Uvalde, the big, fat "School Police Chief" fresh out of a training class on the critical importance of "going in immediately to stop the killing", ordered the other agency's men to "Stand by for someone else", so they did, and he children died. After half an hour of standing by, a couple of brave men disobeyed the big, fat "School Police Chief", commander of a vast array of FOUR officers in normal times, and went in and ended the shooter's miserable life, but how many additional children died? And the police leaders around the nation will shake their heads, and they'll all earnestly listen to the latest after action reviews, and the experts will be saying "You must go in immediately, to save lives"....and the earnest bureaucrats will all say "Yep, yep, got it. This time we really mean it." And the fat, affirmative action bureaucrats will continue to fail because they are not brave protector types, they are fat, lazy, bureaucrats, many selected for affirmative action reasons or because they are somebody's brother in law, not because of bravery or skills.

I wouldn't be surprised at some future date that it is revealed that some or all of the Uvalde PD had dealings with the killer, knew of his animal torture and killings, knew of his guns and talked about shooting up the school, but just never thought it would really happen and/or his "family" had ties with a Mexican cartel and they were warned not do interfere with him.

I think this is a logical outcome of the last two years of leftist pile-ons regarding policing in the aftermath of George Floyd (i.e. ACAB, "pigs in a blanket", "defund the police"). I'm not condemning police overall, but they faced a Hobbsian situation where they would be damned if they do (by the left) and damned if they don't (by normal people). In this case, they chose poorly and did nothing. We already have crazed leftist racists tweeting they didn't respond because it was only "brown people" being killed (ignoring the fact that most of the police are Hispanic). This type of political paralysis in life-or-death situations will continue and will get more people killed - more blood on the hands of leftists. greyseal

Police standing around for an hour while children that have been shot are bleeding to death is stunning. If that is not an emergency, then take the sirens off.

Police response lacking authority. How many police officers have been vilified as the bad guy after shooting an armed suspect in the last 5 years. Just imagine if one of the police officers had entered the classroom and in the process of shooting the suspected gunman had shot or killed one of the students. The media would would have their name and address on 24/7 for weeks.

Cowards standing around outside harassing parents. There were enough cops there to fight a Russian battalion. What is crazy about it an 18 y.o. held off the cops for an entire hour killing at will, it makes no sense. If this is the new face and era of law enforcement, then I don't want to count on them. This is reason enough to make sure I keep all my guns.

100 cops arrived, from as far as 100 miles away, full battle rattle, AR15's, m4's, breaching/grenade tubes, glock 22's in hi-cap .40cal, sniper rifles, full kevlar body armor, helmets, masks, even armored gloves...They did "Crowd Control" and allowed a single teen with ZERO gun experience to systematically and slowly slaughter a score of Babies. Something as simple as "Get us a passkey to that room" wasn't even thought of for an hour. What was the intention?? Try to convince him to surrender so they could get him emotional counseling?

I am not surprised that this is now the stance of LEO's. After the summer of 2020 when they were standing around with their fingers up their nose (or another place) and let cities burn and people get killed, nothing surprises me. Many of them maybe need to be in another line of business, one that also has pensions at the end for retirement and there are no life or death expectations from them.

Remember that Biden and the leftist Democrats since assuming office have been vilifying the US Border Patrol, Border Patrol Agents in general and on one occasion even the border patrol horses that are generally used to routinely patrol very rough areas along the borderline, that Biden and the leftist Democrats obviously want to be a “open border” thus allowing unlimited numbers of mostly all poor and uneducated illegal aliens to gain entry to the USA, obviously for partisan political purposes in contravention of current US Immigration law. So now since an after action investigation on the law enforcement response to the mass school shooting at Uvalde is to be conducted by the Biden and leftist Democrat controlled Department of Justice. The Border Patrol and specifically the Border Patrol Agents who apparently took it upon themselves to disobey the orders of the local school Police Chief to not enter the school, could well become the political targets of that investigation. Charged with entering the school without authority, seeking out the perpetrator, and killing him, thus bringing the incident to a close. From what we have recently seen come out of the Department of Justice such a politically charged investigation is not out of the realm of probability. Also remember up to the moment the personal identity of the Border Patrol Agent who killed the perpetrator has not been made public. But what has been made public is that a Border Patrol spouse is a teacher at the school with a number of children of Border Patrol Agents were students at the school.

Uvalde PD wasn't calling the shots, which is one of the key issue to resolve going forward. The School district police chief, a former 911 dispatcher, assumed incident command, yet he was never effectively relieved by a more experienced and better resourced officer, from the city, county, or state when they arrived on scene. Whatever standing agreements that were in place regarding incident command and mutual aid would be the first thing that needs to be re-worked; in fact, the very issue of even having a school district PD, rather than having police officers from a larger jurisdiction, serve in schools should be re-thought and revised, particularly with regard to smaller localities, where the lack of experience and resources is most common. It is common In larger jurisdictions for incident command to change hands many times during a complex incident, as officers and supervisors with the appropriate skill sets arrive on scene. Leaving the chief of a four man department in charge, school property or not, is lunacy. The results of having done so are now painfully clear.

Basically, Tucker Carlson has had the same thoughts as #6. As embarrassing as it is for Uvalde and Texas, there is already enough known and coming from officials themselves for me to agree with #6 too. We have been through this with other school shootings. The response was tragically stupid.

Hmmm, Coward Cops, has a sick ring to it!