Ron DeSantis Causes a Great Triggering
With Must-Read Comments on Ukraine-Russia Conflict
Red State,
by
Bonchie
Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought,
3/14/2023 11:26:57 PM
Ron DeSantis is causing waves after answering a questionnaire on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson sent the inquiry to all of the announced and presumed 2024 Republican presidential candidates, asking them what their views on the current war are. DeSantis bucked the establishment trend on both sides of the aisle and didn’t spew proclamations about defending democracy (which is definitively not why we are involved in Ukraine). Instead, he pointedly said it is not in US interests to become “further entangled” in the fight, which he described as a “territorial dispute.”
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Sanchin 3/14/2023 11:39:36 PM (No. 1425429)
Our support of Ukraine and the policy of expanding NATO is another folly in a long line of follies. If you wish to understand the mindset of folly read Barbara Tuchman and The March of Folly from Troy to Vietnam.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Heil Liberals 3/14/2023 11:55:31 PM (No. 1425438)
Michael Steel is an idiot. Reagan was tough on the Soviet Union, the dominant threat to global security during its time. Russia is made up of elements of the old soviet, but it is not the USSR. Most people fail to see the long game that has been played against Russia with NATO expansion (which should have been disbanded by 1992 in my opinion). The chicken hawks all want war so long as they and theirs don't have to bleed doing it. Everyone that claims the mantle of Reagan on foreign policy doesn't even understand the world we live in today, or the opportunities missed because Russia Bad.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
stablemoney 3/15/2023 12:00:50 AM (No. 1425444)
It was idiocy for the U.S. to ever get into this war. Ukraine and Russia live beside each other. They are going to have to find a way to get along.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 3/15/2023 12:02:54 AM (No. 1425447)
Not my flag.
Not my war.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
FJB 2022 23 24 3/15/2023 1:20:05 AM (No. 1425473)
I agree with and support DeSantis.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
chumley 3/15/2023 1:36:30 AM (No. 1425481)
All we are really supporting is the Bidens, the Romneys and so many others' source of criminal income and underage chicks. We have no national interest there, except to keep the defense budget bloated and deplete our own munitions.
These politicians sure like war. Or, like with the covid hoax, its just one more method or reducing the population.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Rinktum 3/15/2023 5:12:48 AM (No. 1425518)
FTA: “ DeSantis is the most effective conservative politician of the last 40 years.”
Now that is just a lie. I agree, DeSantis is one of the most effective, but he is not the most effective conservative politician of the last 40 years. He has real potential, yes, but he does not have the base that President Trump created or his Presidential accomplishments. Trying to peel off enough voters to get the nomination is going to be difficult and divisive. What is his beef with Trump? Is it just his style? Their policies are very similar, so why create a division this way when politically it is more advantageous and logical to unite to finally defeat the status quo, deep state, and weak-kneed Republicans? This is what I just cannot understand.
Clearly, DeSantis understands the country is on the wrong track and in real danger and I admire him for that. The threat to the Republic is real and imminent. We do not have the luxury of a contentious primary season which will only weaken the chance of a win in 2024. Trump’s base is loyal for good reason. They trust him which is something that is earned and Trump has definitely earned it. DeSantis knows this. When we are up against the most horrific fight of our lives and have a proven warrior in Donald Trump who will not quit or let us down, why not unite? This potential division is a gift to the democrat party. It seems a strange self-serving thing to do when the two men are not at odds on the important issues. We all know that a united Trump and DeSantis would be a political juggernaut that would put fear in the democrat party. If defeating democrats and saving the country is the goal, why not unite? I just don’t get it.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Kitty Myers 3/15/2023 6:53:58 AM (No. 1425546)
DeSantis seems to be a good governor, but he's not war-time presidential material.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
paral04 3/15/2023 7:47:30 AM (No. 1425566)
We are in this only to cover up the Biden's misadventures in Ukraine. As long as we taxpayers throw our hard earned money Ukraine's way, Zelensky will stay quiet.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Jebediah 3/15/2023 7:59:19 AM (No. 1425579)
Again, anyone who does not know history is bound to repeat it. I can see finding a way to make sure our $ is going to the fight and not some crooked Oligarch's, and also making sure our Allies FINALLY put in their fair share, but anyone who thinks Putin is not hell bent on re-creating the Soviet Union is too naive and ignorant to be President. De Santis WAS our man in this family, and he lost us in one fell swoop. Remember Munich and Peace in Our Time? Remember Lindbergh and the Isolationists and how we put our heads in the sand until FORCED to pull them out....then it WAS a massive danger to ourselves that we were facing,. There are ways to support Ukraine financially and militarily without starting WW111 but this is what happens when we elect a crooked, weak mentally scattered politico as President, with all his concomitants (whoever they are---Susan Rice, Obama?) because we don't like a blustering narcissist as President, even though he was highly competent.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Daisymay 3/15/2023 8:00:08 AM (No. 1425581)
Seems to me, #8, that he is probably more qualified than most Candidates. His record states his duties in Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula in 2008-09 were described as Special Operations, Special Reconnaissance, Intelligence and Foreign Defence Operations.
Looks to me like he would be good "War Time Presidential Material". That said, we are not at war nor do we expect to be at War any time soon (unless Biden gets us into one)! Add to that, He has Common Sense. This Article points that out!
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
bpl40 3/15/2023 8:20:54 AM (No. 1425596)
#8, how much foreign policy and security experience did Donald trump, arguably one of the best Presidents in living memory have , when he came to office? Experience is important. But many times character built by life experience 'trumps' it.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 3/15/2023 8:21:58 AM (No. 1425597)
In re #7's first question, it's probably because DeSantis has a different group including the never-Trumpers supporting him financially. Therefore, DeSantis needs to say things in a certain way to distinguish himself from Trump to please his donors. And to be sure, the msm and the dims will continue stirring the pot as fast as they can to advance their illusion that Trump and DeSantis don't like each other. Or is this ruse between Trump and DeSantis no more than a political head fake designed to fool the opposition.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Trapper 3/15/2023 8:35:06 AM (No. 1425606)
DeSanti voted "yes" to fast-track TPP. That is all anyone needs to know about him as a candidate.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Red Jeep 3/15/2023 8:41:03 AM (No. 1425610)
The Liberals new lie is that with both leading GOP candidates opposing unlimited war in the Ukraine. the Russians must have influenced them and are backing them. ...It never ends.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
MDConservative 3/15/2023 8:49:11 AM (No. 1425615)
Those who support our involvement in Ukraine have had more than a year to explain US national interest in that conflict. They offer tired cliches about leadership of the free world and defending “democracy”. Meanwhile Europe slumbers in Uncle Sam’s defense hammock.
The Trumpistas, of course, criticize DeSantis as he gets his ankles wet trying to walk across the sea, not like their hero. The days of Trump are dwindling as a real alternative is poised to emerge. Trump is a back march, and we need to go forward. But then, what is conservatism these days?
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
felixcat 3/15/2023 8:50:41 AM (No. 1425616)
No offense #11 but DeSantis was a JAG officer - an attorney who served/supported these special ops units - basically advising them when an action was or wasn't legal. I don't think he was running around shooting up terrorists. I worked for a woman, retired O-4 from the Navy's JAG corps who was awarded a Bronze Star (non-combat) for riding around Iraq checking on the detainees and making sure their rights were being respected.
My biggest worry is/(was?) about DeSantis is as a veteran, he will fall under the spell of the war mongers like Reps. Crenshaw and Waltz who in spite of their recent combat experience, can't seem to get enough of war, whether in Ukraine or ...
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
BaldGuy 3/15/2023 9:09:29 AM (No. 1425634)
#8...Desantis mentions in his comments the real threat will be China...he sees the day when they try to
invade Taiwan. What do we do then? The Ukraine/Russia conflict could be ended quickly with forcing both parties to sit down and reach a deal...both sides are losing too much the way it's going...
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Kitty Myers 3/15/2023 9:23:13 AM (No. 1425649)
#11 What I meant by "War Time Presidential Material" is not if he can be an effective Com-in-Chief but if he can effectively avoid going to war without compromising our strength. Our enemies must fear DeSantis, like they fear Trump, in order to avoid war. I don't know what Trump would do specifically, but I do trust him because he's been there, done that, and was very effective. Thanks to Biden, we may be in a war very soon. He's a reckless SOB.
I like DeSantis, but he's beholden to his donor$ first, not us. Trump doesn't have that albatross.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
red1066 3/15/2023 9:25:49 AM (No. 1425655)
The regions of Ukraine that Russia occupies right now, is the same region where pro Russia Ukrainians lived before Russia crossed the border. The people who lived there viewed themselves as Russian. There were trenches built and shooting going on between the pro Russia Ukrainians, and those Ukrainians who wanted to have a separate country from Russia for years. So, after a year of fighting, Russia hasn't really gained any ground.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Vaquero45 3/15/2023 9:59:01 AM (No. 1425690)
Exactamundo. DeSantis is correct.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
OldDog 3/15/2023 10:04:15 AM (No. 1425695)
ruZZia has been breaking the world's balls for over 85 years. To let Ukraine fail and fall would only encourage ruZZia and china. Ronnie just lost my vote.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Speedy2 3/15/2023 10:05:34 AM (No. 1425698)
DeSantis diluter
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
TexaTucky 3/15/2023 10:16:56 AM (No. 1425717)
It wasn't that long ago when questioning the story we were being told about Ukraine elicited accusations/insinuations by certain Ldotters about being Putin-lovers. Zelensky was a hero . . . a freedom fighter, they said. "Oh, the poor people of Ukraine need our help!"
Look what our "helping" did to the Vietnamese. The Afghanis. The Iraqis. A certain echelon both here and in those countries got fat as ticks off our "help" while the people we thought we were helping died by the hundreds of thousands.
The people of Ukraine do need help. What we are doing is not helping them. Glad to see DeSantis agrees with us on that.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
felixcat 3/15/2023 10:23:27 AM (No. 1425722)
Excuse the second post but the so-called lion of democracy, Zelensky is jailing Ukrainian Orthodox church priests, etc and has outlawed all opposition parties.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Zigrid 3/15/2023 11:39:24 AM (No. 1425777)
Ron Desantis is a politician...who never ran an independent company or had to meet a payroll...except those politicians who work for Florida and are paid by taxpayers....he has made a terrible mistake by listening to the Washington DC rinos...like lying Ryan and crooked carl rove and bitter romney and let's not forget lizzie chenny ...all who suffer from President Trump derangement syndrome ...yesterday I watched President Trump from Iowa...it was masterful...he's the only one that can set America back on the right side....go MAGA!!
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
HRJUNIOR 3/15/2023 11:51:04 AM (No. 1425791)
#16,
You are not seeing the whole picture.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 3/15/2023 11:54:05 AM (No. 1425794)
The Uni-Party never met a war they didn't like.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
mc squared 3/15/2023 11:54:31 AM (No. 1425795)
Suppose that DeS and DJT wind up in the primaries and DeS withdraws and endorses DJT? Hmmmm?
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
PrayerWarrior 3/15/2023 11:55:36 AM (No. 1425797)
This was said by Steve Bannon, "It's a little late to be having On The Job Training" meaning all these newcomers who want the job of president do not have the experience of dealing with foreign nations.
Think of voting for president as a job interview. Would you vote for DeSantis who has no experience dealing with foreign nations like President Trump? The position of president if we were interviewing, would go to President Trump who has the experience, the knowledge and knows that part of the world, Ukraine and Zelenskyy.
BTW It's pretty obvious that Fox News is pushing DeSantis in a big way and refusing to have President Trump on their network...it's sickening!
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
DVC 3/15/2023 12:26:20 PM (No. 1425837)
DeSantis is taking really terrible advice on this topic.
Straw man false claims make very weak, bad arguments.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
janjan 3/15/2023 4:42:18 PM (No. 1426026)
Trump was able to do a lot of good and I respect him for that. But he came into office with zero experience with foreign policy, the military, and how Washington works and it showed. The Swamp is still alive and well. He made a lot of bad hiring decisions that we are still paying for. He was far from perfect. DeSantis is also not perfect but I believe he is a true conservative and he would not be 77 when he took office. I’m backing DeSantis and I totally agree with his stand on Ukraine. Trump fans don’t be haters. You’re entitled to your own opinions.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Geoman 3/15/2023 5:09:30 PM (No. 1426043)
The predictable attacks on DeSantis every time someone writes an article about him has inspired me to state an unpopular but heartfelt opinion. I believe actual conservative governing experience that has yielded positive results, is a more critical skill for our nation's chief executive than sloganeering and name-calling. In 2016, Trump did not have the resume that that DeSantis has today. Despite reservations from having been aware of him from the 70s, including his media-friendly conspicuous consumption decades, I voted for him because he was in many ways, the anti-Hillary but I was not a fan-boy of his very public background that played out over the previous 30 -40 years, so I found him uninspiring from a national leadership standpoint.
Example: an excerpt from a NY Times article dated November 1, 1976: "He is tall, lean and blond, with dazzling white teeth, and he looks ever so much like Robert Redford. He rides around town in a chauffeured silver Cadillac with his initials, DJT, on the plates. He dates slinky fashion models, belongs to the most elegant clubs and, at only 30 years of age, estimates that he is worth “more than $200 million..“If a man has flair, the energetic, outspoken Mr. Trump said the other day, “and is smart and somewhat conservative and has a taste for what people want, he's bound to be successful in New York.” So the NY Times was for Trump before being against him.
Trump's background notwithstanding, that he got behind and worked to advance 'somewhat conservative' causes as president is indisputable; however it is also indisputable that Trump's tenure in office ended with Joe Biden as president. However that happened, it is an on-going national disaster.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Strike3 3/15/2023 6:36:16 PM (No. 1426091)
When you put your bleeding heart aside, you realize that Ukraine is about 7th or 8th on our priority list of problems to fix and those problems above it, all of which were caused by the Biden administration, are seriously dangerous to the health and survival of our country. Ukraine has nothing to do with what's left of anything democratic still left in America.
Those who are fashioning the short arrows of battle and putting on war paint and encouraging Biden to enter a conflict with Russia would do well to remember the words of Donald Rumsfeld, "You go into battle with the army you have and not the army you wish you had." Given the trannies, homos, safe-space squirrels and candy-ass cowards that now make up our skeleton of a military, there is serious doubt that we could get the best of Russia and grave doubt that we could subsequently face off with China who will attack us soon afterwards.
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