James Dyson Shows It's Too Easy to Make Electric Cars
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Posted By: Attila DiMedici,
10/11/2019 9:44:59 AM
The reason it was even conceivable for Dyson Ltd. to make an electric car may also have been why its project was doomed to fail: They’re simply too easy to make. The British company, best known for its expensive vacuum cleaners, has now abandoned its 2 billion-pound ($2.5 billion) plan to branch out and take on the likes of Tesla Inc. and Volkswagen AG.
Whereas cars with a combustion engine need about 30,000 components, an electric vehicle needs just 11,000 parts, according to research from Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
DVC 10/11/2019 9:51:43 AM (No. 204242)
Elecgric cars are short ranged jokes. I will never have one.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
seamusm 10/11/2019 9:55:57 AM (No. 204252)
Nahhh! Dyson quit because competitors had already used their own business model of making stuff which is overpriced.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
gorzabozo 10/11/2019 10:26:49 AM (No. 204303)
Electric cars have been around for years. They are called Golf Carts.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Strike3 10/11/2019 10:42:41 AM (No. 204326)
Yes, building the car is easy. Creating the huge infrastructure to keep them going and convincing people to waste all of that time charging or swapping big batteries is another story.
I wonder how the people in California are keeping their Teslas going during the five day power outage?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
JHHolliday 10/11/2019 11:17:51 AM (No. 204360)
Until someone develops a lightweight and inexpensive battery that will give an ev. A 500 mile range they will remain a niche product. They are only about 1% of the US market and most of those sales were driven by subsidies or bought by progressive nitwits.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 10/11/2019 11:23:58 AM (No. 204365)
Good point, #4. Since Teslas are very expensive, I would assume that the very wealthy who own them probably had an extremely expensive generator installed to recharge them in times like this. If they didn't plan well ahead, they will get "well, we are out of those generators, and the manufacturer is backed up, but I can get on installed in early May".
So they would have a propane or gasoline powered car (if they get a generator) rather than a coal/natural gas powered car. Only about 1% of mains power is solar, so these "green electric cars" are just coal/natural gas powered, at great cost and shortened range. Unless they are charge from a (huge anve very expensive) generator, which will be either propane or gasoline powered.
Tesla says that their car cruising at 65 mph uses 20 Kwatts of power. So, if you drive it for 4 hours, that is 80-Kw-hrs out of the battery. With a very expensive 10Kw generator ( about $3-4K, plus installation) you would need ALL the power the generator can put out for about 9 hours to recharge it, accounting for losses in the systems, nothing is 100% efficient. A more reasonably priced 5 Kw generator would run at full power for 18 hours to recharge that amount of power. For about $5K plus installation (maybe $205 K more) you could charge it in about five hours. The 20Kw unit will use about 20 gallons of propane to do this 5 hour recharge. So, a 500 gallon propane tank would permit 25 recharges from full to empty, if no propane was used to heat the home, heat water or cook with. Fun.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
jacksin5 10/11/2019 11:57:29 AM (No. 204400)
This is one of the reasons GM went out on strike. GM is turning towards Electric cars, and the rank and file sees massive layoffs in their future.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
JimBob 10/11/2019 11:58:10 AM (No. 204402)
Don't forget about Tesla's 'Supercharger' stations...... powered by Diesel generators!
link:
https://dailycaller.com/2015/05/28/tesla-supercharger-station-powered-by-diesel-generators-video/
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 10/11/2019 12:57:14 PM (No. 204487)
sorry, that should have been "Maybe two to five thousand dollars more", some characters, when mixed with numbers in this system do not come through correctly. I typed it as numeral 2, dash, numeral 5; it came through as 205.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 10/11/2019 1:01:49 PM (No. 204496)
Perhaps, but the hard part is making (thinking) people want one. They've only been around since the 1902 Baker Electric . Maybe in another 118 years …….
This is right up there with expecting to fill the stands for the Daytona 500 to hear the wooooooooosh of the electric race cars and then the 3 hour pit stops every 2 hours for recharging.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 10/11/2019 1:02:23 PM (No. 204497)
Thanks, #8. Most home generators do not use diesel or gas because it doesn't store for long periods without deterioration. Propane will store for a million years essentially unchanged.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
mc squared 10/11/2019 1:04:42 PM (No. 204499)
How did nobody yet say that any car made by Dyson would suck?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
KTWO 10/11/2019 1:13:00 PM (No. 204508)
That comparison -30,000 v. 11,000 parts - is probably overstated. To get an accurate ratio the common parts should first be subtracted.
e.g. both types will have windows and door locks and tail lights and thousands of other parts unrelated to propulsion. Those don't matter in a comparison.
But the Devil is in the counting. How many parts does an ordinary 12v auto battery have? Is motor oil a part?
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
zoidberg 10/11/2019 1:54:08 PM (No. 204549)
Electric cars have always been the next big thing, and always will be.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
MickTurn 10/11/2019 6:01:26 PM (No. 204855)
11,000 Part?. A battery, a motor, some wires, wheels, a seat and a roof...
I count 25 at most, the rest are vanity!
I have a Hybrid Honda Insight...$25K and 50 MPG! Now we're talking!
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And this explains why auto makers are trying to get the government to force everyone over to electric cars: they can charge more for less cost if they can get enough people to switch.